Why are you afraid of communism?

Why are you afraid of communism?

Because I don't like the thought of my wealth being redistributed to niggers

What wealth do you have anon?

You can't have my stuff

I've got a job

What stuff do you think you'll lose?

I make more money than you lol

I'm not afraid of sharing poop, but I also realize the systemic implications of redistributing sewage.
A better solution is to create a pipe from Andy Sixx's toilet to every fridge in the world.
This ending world hunger.

Workers support communism

Money, property, guns, food, my life, etc

Your personal property is safe. As long as you don't own capital (which judging by your ignorance you don't) you are ok

Lenin was a fraud who would have backed whatever narrative that brought him to power quickest. Trotsky was an underhanded jew, but at least he was a true believer.

The biggest thing modern "leftists" fail to understand is that for communism to have any chance of working you have to maximize the concept of an "us" ie ethnic and cultural homogeneity and not diversity is the key to success.

Do you know anything about communism?

What do you define as capital and who gets to determine what I own?

Means of production, anon. But you're asking good questions. It's important to understand the fundamentals

I'm afraid of americans who have no education on left-wing political systems making proclamations about how bad or good it is.

Communists stole food and confiscated guns from people they don't like (the proles) so no I don't think his personal property is safe.

Me too

What are means of production and who gets to determine what I own?

That never happened anon.

You get to determine the personal property you own and the means of production is pretty straightforward; it's anything that is necessary for the production of goods and services

Again, who gets to determine this? My garden hoe is used to produce goods, and I can use my PC to produce services.

Capitalism is the only economic system that channels humanity's natural tendencies toward greed and self-interest into something productive. Capitalist countries typically have between 5 to 7 times faster economic growth than countries with alternative systems and 89% of all technological innovations in the past century have come from capitalist countries. Even the bottom 10% in capitalist counties have a higher standard of living than the middle class in countries with alternative systems.

Your garden hoe and PC is not necessary for mass production anon. As far as the determination of what is and is not capital, Marxist theory has clear and concise definitions. I can link you some reading material if you'd like

humanity bad that's why labor must be exploited

Ok anon

You can't go by what Marx wrote alone, you will need an individual or a group to make determinations about future technology.

If your definition only includes implements of mass production, why were farmers targeted by communist regimes in Russia? And why did they enact gun confiscation?

Labor isn't being exploited

The working class have higher standards of living under capitalism than socialism. In functioning capitalist economies, workers have seen dramatic improvements in conditions, compensation, and rights. Since 1950, average wages have increased 300% in real terms while average work hours have decreased. Competition for labor drives improvements in working conditions.

First of all, communists will go by exactly what Marx theorized if they are indeed communists. That is why a vanguard party of educated cadre is necessary for the transition.

Second, the kulaks were owners of the land and capital, and resented their proletariatization. Guns were not confiscated, but returned voluntarily by Red Army soldiers following the civil war. Many guns were still owned privately by militia and huntsmen in the USSR.

Wrong, and very evidently too

That's because capital is concentrated in the West, anon. The wealth was only made possible through exploitation of the third world

Typical bot response.

A core aspect of communism (in theory) is that each individual sacrifices to the good of the group with the idea that as the group succeeds each individual within the group will succeed but not at the expense of others in the group. Where people like Marx and Lenin failed is they acted as if this should just happen when in reality it has to be forced because it goes against human nature. If you want any form of communism, or socialism for that matter, that is not achieved strictly by force people must see their countrymen as part of their 'familial" in-group. Because a creature is more willing to sacrifice for another if that other is more like itself (eg genetic relatedness) . Actual relatedness is less important than perceived relatedness. This is why "civic nationalism" fails where ethnonationalism doesn't.

Capitalism, on the other hand, loves diversity. A system that thrives on "getting one over" on the other guy works much better when "the other guy" is perceived as not being one of your own.

So no

You are free to negotiate with your boss for a higher pay if you think you're being exploited

He has a lot more bargaining power than me since he owns the means of production and I must sell my labor to him

So a group of communists get to make determinations based on marxist theory. What if they begin abusing that power, what safeguards ensure that they can't?

Every Kulak? Because a lot of those who did not own capital were also murdered, as tends to be the case in many communist countries. As for guns, they were not freely available to the populace, only people whose views aligned with the party.

The reason the third world is third world is because they haven't adopted market-based reforms that would bring them more prosperity

Work for someone else then. Bosses have to compete for your labor.

Why are you afraid of communism?

Communism is Jewish and anti-White.

what safeguards ensure that they can't?

The lack of ownership of the means of production, the source of power in society.

Every kulak?

No just the counterrevolutionaries that worked with the monarchists to prevent worker liberation.

Because a lot of those who did not own capital were also murdered, as tends to be the case in many communist countries. As for guns, they were not freely available to the population

Depends exactly where we're talking. The only proles killed were counterrevolutionaries in the USSR and China. Admittedly not true in Cambodia, but that's a whole other discussion.

Not really, they maintain a reserve labor force (the unemployed) for a reason

Socialist ideals being applied within a capitalist system is what drove improvements in conditions, compensation and rights. AKA unions

You are correct in your last statement. Competition for labor improves conditions and wages for labor. But this no longer is effective since they can move production to where people are the most desperate. This is why globalism is only a benefit for the rich

History suggests otherwise anon

The reason the third world is third world is because

race is the basis for civilization and those races are simply inferior.

Socialist ideals

Are jewish lies mean to control the goyim.

The lack of ownership of the means of production, the source of power in society.

I'm talking specifically about the group of people who have unlimited political power overseeing the "transition." They tend to get very power hungry.

No just the counterrevolutionaries

We know that in Russia, China, and Cuba, women and children were killed as well. Are they counter revolutionaries? What stops anyone from being accused counter revolutionary?

Depends exactly where we're talking

Every place I can think of that has attempted communism bars gun ownership for the masses and has done questionable things in regard to human rights.

It's because the third world is populated by low IQ browns and no other reason

Something that wasn't a bot would carefully pick apart every supposed "incorrect" statement. inb4 usual "its not worth my time" comment

It's because the third world is populated by low IQ browns and no other reason

Browns are low IQ because they are brown. IQ is an indicator of race's existence, not an indicator of racial supremacy

I'm talking specifically about the group of people who have unlimited political power overseeing the "transition." They tend to get very power hungry.

Their political power is not unlimited, and most communist parties are organized around democratic centralism for those traditional checks and balances.

We know that in Russia, China, and Cuba, women and children were killed as well. Are they counter revolutionaries? What stops anyone from being accused counter revolutionary?

There were not mass murders of women and children in those countries, and what prevents someone from being accused of being a counterrevolutionary is being involved in counter-revolution.

Every place I can think of that has attempted communism bars gun ownership for the masses and has done questionable things in regard to human rights.

The only place that I know of is Cambodia. Everywhere else revolution was carried out quite ethically

This sounds more like jewish lies. Socialism is essentially regulated capitalism without the usury

If you can define communism I'll hear you out

based logposter
and yes, its slidding!

This sounds more like jewish lies. Socialism is essentially regulated capitalism without the usury

Marxist and the rest of Socialism (Minus the true Socialism, National Socialism) is Jewish in creation, thought and action.

There simply isn't any Socialism (again minus National Socialism) without the Jew.

And as we all know, the Jew is wholly anti-White.

Ask the 1%.

They have good reason, the proles here do not

There were not mass murders of women and children in those countries

So the photo evidence of that happening, and women and children being put into graves is fake?

Their political power is not unlimited

Having a monopoly on firearms ownership and killing women and children with impunity means you can pretty much do anything.

what prevents someone from being accused of being a counterrevolutionary is being involved in counter-revolution.

So...nothing. If you get accused, that's it.

the proles here do not

I have very good reason. Communists want to murder me and my entire race. They especially want to torture me to death because I am a neo-nazi to them.

IT'S SLIDDING BABY!!!!

socialist ideals

Adam Smith promoted social programs for a society to function. The profit motive doesn't work in all markets.

Social programs are capitalist as well. The whole idea that socialism and capitalism are somehow the opposite of the other. Most economies on the planet use both.

So the photo evidence of that happening, and women and children being put into graves is fake?

Do you care to share this evidence along with statistics to back it up?

Having a monopoly on firearms ownership and killing women and children with impunity means you can pretty much do anything.

I agree

So...nothing. If you get accused, that's it.

False accusations are an inevitably in all revolutions, that was true even in the French and American bourgeois revolutions.

Both Socialism and Capitalism are soulless materialism that ignores race and ignores natural reality. That's why neither can work.

Race isn't real anon. I'm not going to entertain your schizo fantasies

Race isn't real anon.

yes, that's what the jew tells us to turn us into soulless worker automatons. to justify flooding white nations with millions of muds.

Race is not only real, it's the basis for civilization.

I'm not going to entertain your schizo fantasies

Because you judeo communists cannot discuss the jewish nor racial questions. becaues then your whole ideology falls apart. you see, you only want us talking about money and things. which are jewish materialist concepts.

lmao you're a fucking jew just as much as Mar, Lenin and Trotsky were.

Ok retard

okay jew

The most prosperous "mixed economies" succeed precisely because of their capitalist elements (property rights, markets, entrepreneurship). Their social programs are funded by the wealth generated through capitalism. The more they restrict markets, the worse their performance.

You are correct in that marxism, socialism, communism all are jewish in origin. But then so is much of capitalism. The stock market is a jewish invention. The Dutch East India company (slavery) and the British East India Company (opium) where both jewish. The jew is not just anti-white, they are anti-non jew, but will play as a member of either side as needed. But socialism as a concept need not be jewish as you have pointed out. And that is why, as I have pointed out, socialism has the best chance of working when you maximize homogeneity. A nation made up of people that share the same ethnicity, language, culture and historical identity can adopt socialism far easier than a hodgepodge of "others" all thrown together. This is why modern leftists seem so foolish when they cry out for communism and diversity in the same breath.

The whole idea that socialism and capitalism are somehow the opposite of the other. Most economies on the planet use both.

No. You don't understand socialism.

Vinnytsia, 9 - 11k people killed

Wouldn't let me post the pic in the other reply

You are correct in that marxism, socialism, communism all are jewish in origin. But then so is much of capitalism.

yes, i agree. which is why the only true choice for the white race is national socialism.

...weird how neither capitalists and communists want whites even considering national socialism.

I understand a socialist system withers in the face of imports and currency valuation.

Do you?

yes, i agree. which is why the only true choice for the white race is national socialism.

Well, nazis gave national socialism a bad reputation.
inb4

but that wasn't true national socialism

You literally think socialism and capitalism are compatible

Well, nazis gave national socialism a bad reputation.

You mean the jews in the media gave national socialism a bad reputation.

why would I believe the lies of the jew?

Why are you a homosexual queer?

My understanding of this soviet war crime (which by the way was far after the revolution) was the result of war between reactionaries in Ukraine and the Soviet government. Again, while tragic and unethical, war crimes in this age were common among all countries, including the US and Britain. To place the blame on marxism and not imperialist, bourgeois wars would be incorrect.

ProTip: The reason this Commie bullshit never dies is from woke college professors. If you want to get rid of the commies you have to get rid of the woke college professors.

ProTip: The reason this Commie bullshit never dies is from woke college professors.

who are usually jewish.

I didn't become a communist until I started my career in banking

I didn't become a communist until I started my career in banking

So you saw one Jewish system and wanted to replace it with another Jewish system?

lol. lmao even.

That's why you need both. Socialism isn't anti-entrepreneur, it just believes you shouldn't be able to profit off the backs of others. The problem with capitalism is that it acts as if the only investor in a company is the guy who plunked down cash in the beginning and not the people who contributed to its success

And the first response is always "he took the risk". Yes that's true. But if he plunked down $100k and has since re-pocketed $100k his risk is gone. His "risk" based on the success or failure of his investment is no more or less then anyone else associated with the company.

I could be wrong but I think at least a large chunk of the people who don't like communism don't like it bc they are the exact people who create the concept with their shit. Shitty capitalists is what makes people want to be communists. It's always seemed a little strange to me like communism just as an idea gets people so triggered they can't even talk about it. It IS bad actually, but idk who knows really why. It's bad bc it is all engineered. Capitalism is almost always bad, and so is social welfare. Even basic things like roads education and health, the govt can't make good shit. But there's always a balance, even serfs had tons of time off. But communism is a specific attempt to throw things off so bad people come begging for communism. So, hypothetically if given the choice right now, would I select communism, I might, but that's bad and only bc things are really bad rn. We could maybe reel in unconstrained capitalism a little bit, we could use a debt reset, but we shouldn't need to redraw the social contract to fit what is really the oldest way of life which is just sharing everything amongst the tribe

Classic banter

socialism isn't anti-entrepreneur, it just believes you shouldn't be able to profit off the backs of others.

That's not socialism. There's enough revisionist nonsense around that we don't need ignorant people like you complicating worker liberation.

Which is funny because historically whenever communists come into power one of the first things they do is execute the professors

Can't tell if this is a bot or just a kid whose never had a job going on about "seizing the means of production"

Let me reduce it to its simplest form. Socialism is the idea that what you get back is equitable with what you put in. It is not about free stuff. Its not about everyone being equal

Socialism is the idea that what you get back is equitable with what you put in.

Wrong. Blatantly.

was far after the revolution

After the communist government won and was in power?

war crimes in this age were common

You can't ask people why they're scared of communism when you essentially make the point that communist governments killing their own people is a common thing.

After the communist government won and was in power?

Stalin failed to transition to socialism and as a result his state capitalist regime was forced to engage in imperialism via the Warsaw Pact. Other communists of the day were extremely critical of this decision and noted his theoretical deviations from Lenin. In practice, Stalin's government operated as any other bourgeois government in the West.

>oldest way of life which is just sharing everything amongst the tribe

And this is why communism can only be achieved through force. A tribe is essentially nothing more than an extended family. It is natural to share among family, it is not natural to share with creatures outside my family

Is this the muh not real communism part? Stalin's government came from a power vacuum as a result of the revolution, which set up a system that rewards ambitious dictators.

Indeed it is, and based on everything you've been taught today, you now understand how and why.

No I'm spot on. But please enlighten us as to what "true" socialism is. You definitely seem like someone who would claim bernie sanders is a socialist. Us actual socialist would like other people to see what the children blather about

Get a job retard.

Ok, let me explain what the Marxist (actual) definition of socialism is-- a classless, stateless society where private ownership of the means of production have been abolished. Marx wrote a book that you should read, called "Critique of the Gotha Program," that explains precisely why your lasallean interpretation of socialism is wrong.

I have autism. I'm afraid of everything that's unfamiliar.

The lies of the undereducated white nationalists might have contributed more than you are acknowledging.

I swear to God you commie cucks are worst than the fucking muslims.

Tyrants always go after the press and the intelligentsia.

You want to get rid of nazis. Get rid of the "entertainment news" loophole. Free college.

Dumb people make for hard times.

Because of its history of killing, starving, and enslaving people. It’s like asking why you’re afraid of getting murdered.

Free college.

It's because communism creates an incentive for dictators by stripping the citizenry of their arms and property, which always leads to murder and authoritarianism.

Free college.

I already pay for niggers to be illiterate through public school, now you want me to pay for them to be illiterate in college?

And this is what is now considered communism. Socialism has evolved way beyond the ramblings if a man who leached off his rich friend.

Speaking of which, I'm heading out to dinner with friends, the field is yours pigeon.

Even basic things like roads education and health, the govt can't make good shit.

privatization has been a disaster for everything you listed.

Privatization+no competition=legalized theft.

Buddy you're living under an authoritarian dictatorship

I live in the US

Get a job retard.

He can't distinguish socialism from communism. Nazi dropouts are like that.

Lmao good point, honestly

And this is what is now considered communism. Socialism has evolved way beyond the ramblings if a man who leached off his rich friend.

I'm glad we're at the point now where you openly admit you're an anti-marxist revisionist. Socialism IS communism, anyone who told you otherwise is just as ignorant.

You can’t distinguish a man in drag from a woman. Checkmate, faggot.

Yeah I bet, only makes it more true

K-12 is mandatory attendance. College is contractual. You keep proving you are a dropout

I accept your concession, dropout.

kek

Who is dictator of the US?

It's a dictatorship of a class, you've been fooled into thinking a dictatorship needs to be composed of a single person

I can name a few.

I don’t accept your faggotry, you commie bitch.

I didn't say it wasn't mandatory, I said I have to pay into the school system to put niggers through it so that they come out of grade 12 being illiterate. Now you want me to subsidize them getting a college education so they can still be illiterate?

dropout

Sounds like debt slave speak to me, lol. Should've gone to trade school retard.

That's called an oligarchy bonehead.

You and him are on the same side

Just call it what it is, a dictatorship of the ruling class.

I guess more like democratic fiefdoms than dictators. Mostly places where you see high rates of welfare.

Isn’t every society basically a dictatorship of the ruling class?

Two gun grabbing members of the minority party? Not very effective dictators since they lost an election and got cucked out of enacting their platform.

That's right, you're starting to get it

Because communism is an ideal, capitalism is a reality.

see
Just look at their districts.

Look at that capitalism, horrible

The districts that vote for them you mean?

"Progressive" policies like welfare, open borders, and defunding the police are democrat ideologies. Our governmental system allows areas to vote for people to create these policies. They usually lean left.

Yes.

If those places vote dem, they aren't dictators or fiefdoms.

True progressive capitalism is still capitalism

Personal security, sense of self, peace, morals. The list goes on anon.

The good news is that while you have none of that under capitalism, you'll actually gain all that that under communism

Personal security, sense of self, peace, morals

I have all of that in the US right now. How would communism not take all of that away?

You most definitely do not (unless you're a capitalist)

Personal security

Guns

sense of self

Eating healthy, lifting weights, pursuing hobbies, and working full time

peace

White community and also see 1

morals

Helping people and maintaining peace

republicans have a majority in the house, the senate, the supreme court, and the presidency AND STILL BLAME DEMOCRATS.

fucking clown world.

Welfare controls people. I know you liberal leftist will never understand that.

Oh no, you misunderstand retard. We are happy the Republicans are in charge.

You already conceded you can't hang with people who actually studied socioeconomics.

Run away, nazi dropout.

Why would I be afraid of a trash economic system that doesn't actally work and isn't sustainable?

People who study economics aren’t communists. Checkmate again, faggot.

So, you just proved you don't know what a contractual agreement for education means.

How ironic.

Wrong, I have an econ degree

Mostly places where you see high rates of welfare.

republican states.

No you don’t. You have a social studies degree and you suck at math.

Within left leaning cities correct?

welfare

Literally promoted by Adam Smith. 100% employment is impossible, dropout.

No really. I minored in econometrics and even was asked to present at the Western Economic Association International. And I'm OP and a communist.

Not my fault niggers don't want to work.

Nope. People who study economics understand why communism doesn’t work. Nice try, though.

Cope and seethe I guess

You have an econ degree and believe in labor theory of value?
So glad I dropped out of college.

Who was talking about happiness, distracted shill? I was talking about republicans having no room to blame anyone else but themselves.

When republicans have to start taking responsibility for their mistakes...the house of cards starts to crumble.

Eat my shit you commie faggot, God is great.

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I actually understand LTV better than my former econ professors sadly

They don't teach communism in economics, dropout.

They teach small-S socialism.

Republican nazis are so confident. Yet, so retarded and unread. It's a threat to national security.

They don’t teach communism because it’s a failed economic theory proven false by events. You’d know that if you had studied economics.

So you understand why it's dumb and not real?

Cities don't pay federal taxes. They pay the state, which, in-turn pays the federal government...or doesn't pay the federal government, in the case of red states.

republicans are always looking for a way to not take responsibility. always.

Then why has LTV been empirically validated?

To take responsibility for what? Open borders?

Yeah, we took responsibility for that and fixed it. You're welcome.

Friedman didn't take into account most want to work. Friedman is just another economist, not jesus, you fucking dropout. He sold out to the in his later years.

What economic textbook are you reading that advocates for communism you delusional retard.

wall of greentext

You concession was accepted long ago, dropout.

friendly fire. imagine if greentext was used for quoting and not for some dropout republican nazi shill who can only communicate in straw man arguments. We wouldn't be confused.

"The labor theory of value is a theory of value that argues that the exchange value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of 'socially necessary labor' required to produce it."

Would you agree this is a good definition?

If we had free education, maybe you'd actually learn how to read what the book actually says.
Instead of repeating obvious falsehoods.

Imagine being robbed by some faggot quoting this kind of word salad at you. That’s communism.

K-12 is already free and we still have a high illiteracy rate

It's "you're" retard.

Basically, that's why they always try and take the guns first.

Checked

The CIA definitely helped, glowie.

Dude, again, I'm not a proponent of socialism, but social programs. A view shared by Adam Smith, the guy who created fucking capitalism...you babbling republican dropout.

Dude, again, I'm not a proponent of socialism

but social programs

Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

ironic.