Do you guys believe in God?

I REGRET NOTHING

Free will would not exist if God would interfere with issues you think deserve immediate and god like powers to intervene. I'm not a theologist or even a good arguer but I think your argument doesn't stand well.

God does exist because your take is so Godly

Fuck you OP be atheist. People usually just believe what they want to be true in the end. So the fact that atheist just want to stop existing means they won't take life for granted and do whatever makes them happy with their life. If Heaven is real they have niggers and God expects you to worship his hairy ass for ETERNITY I'd rather go to hell.

I believe that there are forms of life beyond our understanding and of course very powerful, after that what is written in the books is a strategy for absolute social control.

You may call me God if you want to.
You wouldn't be the first one.
And this god likes to get his ass eaten.

Oh glady daddy >:-)

Because it's the easiest metric for innocent suffering. Children can't have any sin weighing on their soul therefore a benevolent gods course of action is limited.

That's wrong. Especially the Christian god explicitly sees all people as his "sheep" (let's not go into the implications of using this word in the Bible translation). Helping (through his prohets)even those who not yet believers.

I feel like you never read the Bible or at least didn't understand the new testament.

What a load of BS. If God was allmighty he would prevent children from dying of cancer without affecting your ability to choose freely. I mean unless you decide to go dumpster diving in Tschernobyl.

"Big sky daddy" is okay but please don't just call me "daddy". Really not into that.

Benevolent is a normative term.
The question remains, why do YOU care about the suffering of innocent children?
You seem believe God should care, but you can't explain why you do?

There's clearly some sort of moral element to it right? Suffering = bad, not-suffering = good. Those who use their power to stop innocent children from suffering are good people, those who don't are bad people right?

But is this universally true? Is it engrained in the physical properties of the universe, that the universe has a moral order to it and thus and an indifferent God would be objectively bad? Because in that case whether good or bad God exists and His will is defining every aspect of your life.

Or is it merely a cultural thing? Something we are taught as children that this is how we SHOULD behave?
In which case we in the west trace all our moral teachings back to Christ, what you're actually saying is God is a hypocrite, and that by extension accepts the moral truth of Christ.

So those are the facts. There's no element of faith here. God exists and creates the moral by which you judge him.

Which leads to the ultimate point here of who are you to judge God? Why would he even care?

What or who is God to you isn't God to a person of a different faith so which God are you talking about?

Obviously negative consequentialism is my framework not only here but in general.
Are you going to disagree that reducing suffering is objectively good?
Of course for a masochist suffering is something positive, but I'd argue a masochist is not suffering in the normal sense of the word, since they enjoy the process during or at least after the fact.

So those are the facts. There's no element of faith here. God exists and creates the moral by which you judge him.

The whole sentence is pure faith, because you can't prove any of it.

Are you going to disagree that reducing suffering is objectively good?

No I'm pointing out that if it's objective it's intrinsic to the universe and therefor a product of God.
And if it's not objective then it was taught to you by Christ.

There's literally no way out of it.
You can hate God all you want, it changes nothing. God is simply not subject to your judgement. You on the other hand are very much subject to His.

no

Yeap

None of what you said makes any sense. There is no logic to what you say.
My moral code is not that of the church, neither that of the state I live in kt the parents that brought me up. You argued for free will earlier. It was my free will in combination with the information I aquired over the years, that made me arrive to the conclusion that reducing suffering is what makes the most sense.
And anyways when I'm dead I'm dead. There is no me to be judged left.... The me ceases to exist, when the electrical signals in my brain stop. I think therefore I am.

While I'm skeptical of the supernatural, Christianity is the prime-driver of western excellence and accomplishment. I follow the teachings of Christ in order to preserve his legacy and better my character.

Yeah. But, maybe not your version

God is our friend good anon

Adam and Eve chose.Satan. Their children gained eternal death. For the wages of sin is death. God gave his son who is the antithesis of Adam. He proved that a perfect man can obey God and do so while suffering. So his life bought humans from Adam and Eve's Eternal Death. All suffering and death will cease to be. Those who dies won't be able to call to mind their pain.

God aint real little buddy

God is willing through human will, It's like God is the Puppetmaster, not by controlling our thoughts, but by executing what’s already in our minds. We’re given the freedom to choose do whatever we're able to do good or bad,in this life

Yes he is little buddy. You believe in the big bang wherein a meson sized singularity self created possessing several Universal masses in an area no bigger than a meson, and then expanded 32 trillion times faster than light.

Said simply, you'd say Enterprise warp 9.75 or 7 thousand times faster than light is science fantasy but the big bang, 32 trillion times faster than light, is science fact?

we in the west trace all our moral teachings back to Christ

NTA, but that's not true. The Codex of Hammurabi (1755–1750 BC) was the first book of Law and was created in Babylon which neighbours Israel.
The Jews took inspiration from this for the their laws. Most notably the Laws 196 and 200 respectively prescribe an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth when one man destroys another's. I have compiled more in pic rel.
So no. The law was not inspired by Christ. It was inspired by the Babylonians.

There's clearly some sort of moral element to it right? Suffering = bad, not-suffering = good.

No, it's all experience. The older we get, the more we have suffered ourselves. It's this experience that made humans realize that suffering is bad.
The reason for why we don't want other people to suffer is for the same reason we don't like animals to suffer, unless you're a psychopath.
It's not divinely inspired, humans simply tend to hate seeing others suffer because they can relate to the pain, both emotionally and neurologically.
That's why governments often go out of their way to publicly dehumanize "the other side" to prevent an uprising by the people when the governments starts to kill or mistreat these "others".

There is no excuse for God to not interfere when you consider God to be good. God would be omnipotent which means that he'd able to end suffering without interfering with free will and he could at the very least end the suffering of children.

The best argument a theist can give is that the Book has never shown God to be a good God, but instead a vengeful and spiteful God who demands worship,because he made the world which makes everything he does, and refuses to do, justified.
The best Deist argument is that God made the world and left. Deists have it easy, because they're not bound by scripture.

Yes because science and space is real but your dusty old book is fictional nonsensical and therefore you're retarded

God isn't going to bail out anyone under women else's government. Adam and Eve were perfect. The Angels has to obey, yes? The Angels who disobeyed, Satan and his Demons, will eventually be slaughtered in little over a thousand years. Adam and Eve died forever and their children, us, are tied to Satan's system of things. Who ever exercises Faith In Jesus will be resurrected. This is Satan's system of things, us gaining Christ becoming our high Priest thereby using the value of his sacrificed blood is good enough. So pray for God's kingdom.

You act like that's crazy, but it makes perfect sense if the "Big Bounce" is true.
However, everybody knows that our knowledge about the origin of the universe is not complete.
What we have discovered is that the probability that the universe was created as written in Genesis is very, very small. So small that it isn't part of any scientific theory.

Science, my easily deceived summer child, is Observation, Test, and where applicable, re creation.

Provide Observations and test of matter surpassing light, 32 trillion times. Otherwise its as fictitious as maRey sue Palpatine.

*Satan

Why did Auto correct change Satan to women?

Science demands you provide facts of matter surpassing light 32 trillion times. You said it happened thereby Prove It!

So you believe in Genesis? You believe that humans suffer, because a woman ate a fruit?
You also believe that humans tried to rape 2 Angels in Sodom and Gomorrah?
You don't think that it was meant figuratively?

Why do people actually take the time to worship this shit? Are they actually afraid of a skydaddy? LMFAO

Fear my buddy? Never.

Adam and Eve died forever and their children, us, are tied to Satan's system of things.

guilt by association, i have seen humans apply that mindset quite often.

At best religion an abstraction based on something real that's been retold too many times.

I believe consciousness is what we are and so we're all a part of God, but not in a specific religious sense.

Science demands you provide facts of matter surpassing light 32 trillion times. You said it happened thereby Prove It!

But that's not the Big Bang theory. The Big Bang theory claims that space expanded faster than light, but not the matter in space.
Think of it like you and I are sitting still on a rubber sheet, but the sheet is stretching — so even though we’re not moving, the distance between us is increasing rapidly.

Believe? I know it happened.

The big bang is trash as is ABIO-GENESIS!

Abio-genesis, or self creation of life, is also bullocks.

The world consists of trillions of left and right handed amino acids.

However, life is made up of solely left handed amino acids. And of the left handed molecules, proteins are made up of 20 different types. And each type is coded within their relative position within the protein molecule.
Scientists calculated that for Brownian motion to form one protein molecule it would had to have taken 10^128 years

Adam and Eve were perfect. They had no flaws.
Said simply, you can transport every atom in the known universe on the back of an ameoba across the expense of 14 billion light years before even one protein molecule forms.

There wasn't any space, you sad, sad deceived youngster, the space came with the mass from within the meson sized singularity. Don't you know?

Catholics are the best in the science vs religion debate.
The Pope acknowledged that the Old Testament isn't to be taken literally.
It merely exists to get to know God. Only the New Testament is to be taken literally.
That's why the Catholic church doesn't oppose science.
They simply consider the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution examples of God's genius.

what does worship even means? anyway why do you pretend that you can understand gods plan? you re just a guy. and a moron with that. anyone can get angry withgod once in a while. but to make grandstanding claims like that. its tiring to see stupids give their takes all the time

The B part of this is for you
Said simply, you can transport every atom in the known universe on the back of an ameoba across the expense of 14 billion light years before even one protein molecule forms.

As Science has adapted and proved numerous things, Religions have became less and less enticing.
It has got to the point that the major religions are still demonising sciences as much as possible.
Religions are cancer, they cause hate, they cause wars, they cause division.
Ask yourself if everyone agreed that religion is nonsense, would this world be a better place than it is now?

The pope is an evil dumb ass. What does the Bible say?

The truly weird thing about God, is that the Old Testament is a mean asshole, telling the Jews they are his chosen people and telling them they need to slaughter some people or another, but keep the virgins as sex slaves. Then the New Testament God is all about turning the other cheek and loving everybody. Obviously, two different Gods which kind of violates the idea of monotheism.

lol

No, you misunderstand it. The space was the singularity, just compressed to an unimaginable density and temperature. Matter was formed after the expansion began, not before or during the initial explosive burst.

"lol" the answer of someone who doesn't have an answer.

No one has answers faggot. Just ideas.

nah i don’t believe in fairy tales lmao

i do have an answer. im not gonna waste my time with every single tard on the internet, i dont have hermiones necklace

Science has come to a standstill now.
Religions aren't really what's the cancer, they're a symptom, not a cause. The cause is human nature and stupidity.

Jesus never said a word about homosexuality or abortion. Read Matthew 25, The Sheep and The Lambs. This is the central message of Christianity. Jesus told us EXACTLY what we had to do to get into heaven. Believing in him is just not on his list! Basically, he told us to be kind to others. Not just Americans, or Christians, or people of the same race. If you are not kind to others, you can believe in Him and still go to hell. That's what Jesus had to say about our fate.

The Sheep and The Lambs

Ooops "The Sheep and The Goats". My bad.

god is not real, and if he is, hes not as good as his fans says he is

There is a possibility that life did not start on Earth just like a large quantity of water isn't native to Earth as well. Surely you've heard about that?

it would had to have taken 10^128 years

Yes, if protein formation relied SOLELY on completely random shuffling of amino acids, it would be nearly impossible. However, life didn’t rely on pure randomness.

Chemical biases & self-organization

Short peptides can still have function

Selection starts before replication

RNA world hypothesis

Chemical, environmental, and selective processes made it far more likely to occur. Complexity can arise naturally under the right conditions.

See

Space isn't empty, you sad, sadly deceived youth, dark energy and black matter aplenty.

You believe that the big bang consisted of several universal masses, Yes? This thing instructions of becoming the largest black hole of all time decided to expand just fast enough to over come the black hole. Upon doing so it realized it risked flying apart so it created black matter and formed particles. Anti particles were also created so particles and Anti particles wipes each other out, and the surviving particles survived (obviously)

But Lo, all these particles were too close and risked becoming several black holes. So it created dark energy which compelled it to depart. And all this happened in a fraction Of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a second.

If you got something to say, say it retard. This isn't an interview.

No. Gods obviously do not exist, unfortunately. I wish this painful, meaningless, existence had some magic, mystery, and moral objectivism in it, but it doesn't.

Not since Clara Dao got a boob job. :-(

Science hasn't come to a standstill, it is still in rapid mode. Soon as electricity was created it has rapidly increased scientific discovery much quicker as the decades pass.
Religions were merely originally a tool to explain unexplainable things as a higher being. Cavemen first started it by pointing at the sun saying "ugg" and believing it was a god. So anything they could explain was a god. And that continued for thousands of years.
Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Mayans etc all used Gods for multiple things they couldn't explain.
Why is there oceans - god
Why is there fire - god
Why is there wars - god
Why is there famines - god
Why is there death - god
Why is my child a retard - god
Why do fruits grow on trees - god

So when Middle Eastern religious beliefs started to understand the world, they actually embraced it - The Kabbalah tree etc - they tried to bring Religion and Discoveries together.
Maths, Physics, Biology and Chemistry (Alchemy as it was none) were all born from the Middle East.
When it crossed into Europe, the first thing the Vatican did was to demonise it, Jesus/God didn't do these things so they must be lies and a threat. Deep down the Vatican used Christianity as a tool to control, and hated the fact people were beginning to question their reasoning to everything.
Inquisitions etc became the norm and for nearly 300 years we entered a dark age of discovery, clever people being burned at the stake or hidden away thankfully never stopped the human mind from becoming Enlightened. If not for them and those scholars in the Middle East we would be in a worse place today still, controlled by people who wanted you to believe hypocritical stories to hate others.
Sadly to this day the die hard religious still sow hate in all religions.
This is why religions should be removed completely, only then will we become better on this planet, no need for war or hating differences.

so the cure's human genocide/eugenics?

Science demands Observations and Test

magical laws of physics and matter exist just cause, but a creator, that would be crazy ! impossible !

Science Demands OBSERVATIONS and TEST!

You can postulate all you want. However, It's not real without, OBSERVATION and TEST.

look at this slave. go to the factory we need better transistors

Space isn't empty

Space now and space during the Big Bang aren't the same. It all comes down to E = mc2.

1. Right after the Big Bang, the universe was an ultra-hot, dense soup of energy, quantum fields, and virtual particles.
2. High-energy photons (bosons) then could spontaneously create fermion-antifermion pairs.
3. The inflaton field (a kind of scalar boson field driving cosmic inflation) decays into a hot soup of particles and radiation.
4. Normally, matter and antimatter annihilate back into energy.
But, due to a tiny imbalance called CP violation — for every ~1 billion matter-antimatter pairs, 1 extra matter particle survived.
These leftovers became the matter that forms stars, galaxies, and you.
5. As the universe cools (~10-6 seconds after the Big Bang), quarks (fermions) combine via gluons (bosons) to form hadrons.
6. A few minutes later: nuclear fusion starts and hundreds of thousands of years later: electrons (fermions) combine with nuclei to form neutral atoms — stable matter.

theres no antiscience muslims

only evil smelly xian science deniers

*Tips fedora*

I believe in the super natural. I kinda do beleive in god.

I see them as my mother. I guess most people see god as a father figure.

in all religions

Nvm. You're cool. I misread.

Babylon the great will soon fall. You know Babylon the Great, the Great -Harlot who commits fornication with the kings of the earth; Who sits on many seas on the back of the wild beast and drinks from the cup filled.with the blood of the righteous?

1. Miller-Urey (1953) showed that amino acids could form from simple gases under lightning-like conditions.
2. RNA synthesis (2009) demonstrated how RNA’s building blocks could be formed spontaneously.
3. Protocell experiment (2012) showed how simple molecules could self-organize into structures that resemble cell membranes.

These experiments aren’t "proof" of life’s exact origin, but they are huge steps forward in showing that life’s building blocks and early structures could form naturally under prebiotic conditions.

OH MY GOD YES

I don't view physics as magic, it's literally just math explaining how things are. And I don't see how a creator is more likely than matter just always existing or coming into existence randomly. There is OBVIOUSLY no one looking out for us or guiding us anywhere, because this existence is boring, meaningless, painful, and without purpose. Everything just suffers and dies. If gods exist they are sick and sadistic.

You're gonna have to demonstrate all that fiction with Scientific, Observation and Test, facts!

AREN'T YOU TERRIFIED, ANON!?!?!?!

Why aren't you afraid???? The first purported big bang happened without rhyme or reason from nowhere so, what's preventing another big bang, And Another One, And Another One?

No postulates but science facts; provide Scientific, Observation and Test, data as to why another bang hasn't happened in all this time.

Do YOU know Voldemort, Harry Potter and Hermoine all whom have the power to subjugate entire schools with their might and mere flicks of their wands????

That's how you sound to me...

Science hasn't come to a standstill

If you view it from the point of centuries or millennia then no, but decades yes. People don't follow the scientific method. They have cognitive issues. It's stuck right now and I'm not the only one talking about this.

Miller formed an amino acid, was it left or right? And who is repented by Miller's efforts? Miller, a scientist who worked in A lab with other scientists using up to their day, modern contrivance, using knowledge, know how and will, not to mention patience, managed an amino acid molecule, was it.right or left?, which collapsed once the meticulously human made environment for it waa altered. Who is represented by Miller et.al?

RNA synthesis CREATED by thinking humans also using modern contrivance? Who.do they represent?

The first purported big bang happened without rhyme or reason from nowhere so, what's preventing another big bang, And Another One, And Another One?

Look nobody agrees that the universe came from nothing. It has been widely suggested that the "ingredients" for the Big Bang were always there.

what's preventing another big bang

I "believe" in a cyclic universe, but I also know that we don't have enough evidence to support that theory yet. Which means that there will be a big crunch and then another big bang. Nobody knows how many big bangs happened before us.

That's fine mortal flesh.As you were.

You believe Every 10 trillion years one plane bumps another in the butt? Oh my goodness we have a string theory believer in the house!!

It was a mixture of left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) forms in a roughly 1:1 ratio, he didn’t have control over the chirality of the amino acids that formed.
This mixed chirality is a far cry from the homochirality that life requires — but it opened up a huge area of research into how life could have emerged with a preference for L-amino acids.

The chirality problem could have been solved by one or more of these mechanisms:
Polarized light from the Sun or cosmic rays causing chiral bias.
Mineral surfaces catalyzing the formation of chiral molecules.
Self-replicating systems amplifying a small initial bias.
Electrochemical gradients around hydrothermal vents promoting asymmetry.
Symmetry breaking during non-equilibrium chemical reactions.

Which one?

Decades no, it is still pushing forward.
Are medical breakthroughs happen constantly, yes.
Have we adapted to better electronics... yes.
Have we adapted to better communication .. yes
So what standstill do you think we have?

Not the person you are responding to, but you just pedantically assumed nothing they said. You didn't like the answer and you spastic smashed your keyboard a response like that?
Behave yourself ffs.

what do you mean by 'God' ?

Do you believe in the Garglesnarch?
If you don't, it will show up while you sleep at steal your testicles.
And yes, this is only a risk once you've been made aware of it, making it aware of you, you're welcome.

He didn't have control but random bumping, light and swamp gas had perfect control surpassing our technological modern human built meticulous contrivance?

We're gonna have to see some science

So God is incredible vindictive?
Still not an argument to worship him?

Take your meds, schizo.

Still children dying of cancer haven't hat the cancer to decide to be good or bad.

Provide Scientific, Observation and Test, Data!

I know it happened

It didn't though. It's still just what you believe. And I'm not going to say anything different about the big bang. Because the big bang is currently just the most sensible explanation of what we were able to observe. Btw. In it's day the bible was pretty similar. The attempt of the people to explain the world in a way that made sense to them with the knowledge they had. Just lacking the scientific method, to make it falsifiable.
Over the last couple of thousand years our knowledge expanded. That's why we know for sure that the genesis did not happen. We have irrefutable evidence that the human evolved from apes.
*Drops mic*

Anon, you're talking about technology...
What the fuck does that have to do with the big questions

Worship means putting something on a petasol and treat them as something special, like you virgins do with women.
I am allowed if You are tiered of reading the truth, maybe you should go back to church. Instead of taking part in discussions about the absurdity of religion.
It's your decision to live in an echo hanger.

I guess you didn't read the original post to understand that, Science has taken over Religion that is why.

You have yet to demonstrate, the big bang, abio-genesis, evolution. Chop chop.

petasol

The word you wanted was pedestal anon.

Kek, just prove that you god exists then.

Auto correct switched the word SATAN to Women. Just now it switched Satan to Eaten.

Have you considered not being a phonefag?

Here's one for you, mein incredulous grasshopper, Human DNA surpasses Windows 12 in complexity yet Windows 12 took thousands of people, Billions of dollars, and modern contrivance untold. Food for thought.

Look honey. A religious thread with the same replies as any preceding religious thread. Yes, I’m afraid Anon Babble is pretty much dead.

Phone

Kindle fire MASTER RACE!!!!

So an argument from your own credulity then?
You do know that is a fallacy right?

Kindle fire

I know that you're being disingenuous.

You take that back; every dire we've had was dropped hundreds of times-- gotten wet or was otherwise put in harms way. Can your sissy apple.say the same?

No, you have faith that I am being disingenuous.
Human DNA took millions of years to turn into what it is now, Windows 12 took a couple of years, money and some manpower, you've made no argument whatsoever in favor of your specific god's existence.

You're either having a stroke or you're a kindlefag with an overactive auto-correct function.
I mean what the fuck is a sissy apple?

took millions of years

Science is Observation and Test

Oh you're retarded, I'll stop arguing then, no sense in playing chess with a pigeon.

Sissy apple? Oh my word, you don't know what a sissy apple is?

Widdly scuds.

Yeah and he’s a nigger

I'm allergic to science

Postulate postulate

As you were, Postulator

Of course I believe in myself

Oh look, you're faithing an opinion into me again, can you faith a blowjob into existence for me too two digit iq anon?

On account there's no science that legitimizes my beliefs I'll just keep reiterating postulates

Spin baby Spin!!!

Oh look, you're handing me opinions again, it's almost like you think that you can read my mind.

I know its terrifying to realize that all you believe you knew was a lie. I'm so sorry, anon.

You still haven't convinced me of anything anon, because your arguments are retarded.

i can understand believing in some omnipresent "force" or god or whatever but i think it's REALLY weird when people decide that highly specific religions are true.
obviously other intelligent civilisations will never also arrive at catholicism or islam as some obvious self evident universal truth.. i'm sure there are christians in this thread who believe that jesus will actually return and if you reject him you'll burn in hell forever. i sound arrogant here but i think of you as almost retarded if you believe this

Convince? Did.Christ Convince the Sanhedrin?

You're referring the specific bible stuff that isn't part of my encyclopedic knowledge anon, since your religion obviously isn't real, I haven't spent the time needed to fine read it.

Do you guys believe in God?

No

Do you believe in the Easter Bunny? How about the Tooth Fairy? Fucking hell.

you're referring to the truth, well, I'm allergic to the truth!

You obviously do, Mr I believe in the never happened, big bang, Abio-genesis, evolution! At least there's evidence of God!

At least there's evidence of God!

Where? Please provide some.

which god? what is god? can you be any more specific

Prove your specific religion true then anon?
Show me how it isn't an amalgam of the myth of Gilgamesh, the virgin birth of Isis and every ritual and the kitchen sink that was integrated into it to make it more appealing to conquered so-called pagans.

At least there's evidence of God!

Where? Show it to me please.

Oh my

doesn't matter, they're chilling elsewhere, somewhere better than here
stop clinging to life that much anon

God help me.

Odds and I should do this
Dubs and I should stop and repent
Even and I should should should

Nope, yet to find a good reason to.
(I don't know therfore god is not a good reason)

You still believe because you haven't read the bible critically

free will cope

Long debunked lol, god could have made us in a way to only freely choose good over evil

no

Yes!

Yes but picrel

both.
we are in a simulation.
but god created a root reality. his creation apparently creates more of itself, recursively, and sub creations create simulations
jesus and angels are able to come in to the simulation and try to help us trapped here make it to a better place.
im not sure why we are simulated and for what purpose, could we be in prison or hell punished for what we did in root-reality, or is this a repeating reality, that the 1900-2100 on planet earth was so interesting everyone just wants to live there and pretend to be real in the game?
god is real, jesus is an emissary that appears from time to time telling us he is the way out, this leads me to believe we are being punished or game players here need hope, jesus seems to downplay death saying its a new beginning - so maybe the message is be good, have fun with this game, dont fear death.
but anyone thinking this is a root-reality, unsimulated, is out of their mind. this shit is fake and gay.
can we have this simulation without jews, poos and niggers and nicer women? women are such hypergamous cunts.
imagine earth, no jews, poos or niggers, and women were 90% like your favorite girl.

be me

decide to go on Anon Babble instead of Anon Babble

there's better theological debates here than there ever was on Anon Babble

Wtf. I thought this place would be more monkey brained than this.

God is the greatest, but there's so much error in likening the image of humans to the Creator of All Things. It's so painfully obvious, and should be, but Renaissance paintings keep throwing human consciousness in the wrong direction...

I can comprehend the plans of God's

Seems pretty arrogant to me anon.

Anyone who believes in God is an actual literal retard.

I don't care about people suffering, so I wouldn't think less of God if he didn't either.

Are you going to disagree that reducing suffering is objectively good?

Yes. Morality isn't objective; that's a retarded idea.

Is it the same level of arrogance that comes with claiming to know what god is and which religion is correct without being able to prove it?

Don't have to be retarded to get brainwashed, there's a reason churches target children

Yes, it is. So stop being like them and accept that you don't know and can't know.

But anon, admitting ignorance is scary!! I'd rather pretend to know via cognitive dissonance.
(This is sarcasm)

K. But you don't know, and can't know. Nobody can. Even when we die, there could be no afterlife, so even if God does exist there's still the possibility you'd never meet it. We just can't know, if we could there wouldnt be doubt or question. The fact that we do question means you don't know.

I don't know for sure that a god doesn't exist, but since there is no evidence indicating that a god does exist, I don't believe in god.

I don't know for sure that a god doesn't exist

The same thing is true of other things like gnomes which people are comfortable saying definitively don't exist; stop pretending some Jewish sky wizard is any different.

What opinion is it you are mistakenly attributing to me anon?
I've been espousing an agnostic atheist stance.

Sure, but you still don't know for sure either way, you're still making an assumption. But it doesn't really matter if you believe or not because your choice doesn't change reality. What is important is that you're happy and healthy and as long as your assumption doesn't negatively effect that, do what you want

A necessary distinction in this arena to avoid wasting time explaining the burden of proof to christcucks

Oh I'm not that anon, my bad not denoting as much.

you're still making an assumption

Except he isn't, intentionally

Sure, but you still don't know for sure either way, you're still making an assumption.

I never said that I wasn't making an assumption.

But it doesn't really matter if you believe or not because your choice doesn't change reality.

Sure, faith in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first.

What is important is that you're happy and healthy and as long as your assumption doesn't negatively effect that, do what you want

I am for the most part and my assumption doesn't negatively affect me.

Intention doesn't matter, there was a question asked and he made a decision to answer it definitively without actually knowing definitively, which is an assumption.

I never said that I wasn't making an assumption.

You didn't have to say what you're doing to do it. And you did make an assumption.

I am for the most part and my assumption doesn't negatively affect me.

Now you did say it. But also cool, hope your life is good and you don't think too much about this stuff.

You think he doesn't know whether or not he believes in something?

I think you're not reading what I wrote correctly because that makes no sense in response to what I said in the last two replies.

yes

Ah so you're moving the goalposts and/or fleeing the point.
Nvm

Actually I said it twice, you just misunderstood the first time I said it.

nO

There's no reason to get upset when confronted with a mistake. You misread what I wrote, i never said he doesn't know what he believes. I said that his belief itself is the assumption. Is English not your primary language?

Then why did you claim not to have said it?

I claimed that I had never said that I wasn't making an assumption, indicating that I was well aware that I was making an assumption.

Pretty sure you're either trolling or retarded, but I'll try again to watch you dodge the question.
You think he doesn't know whether or not he believes in something and is assuming instead?

Oh, I misunderstood what you said then, my bad.

You think he doesn't know whether or not he believes in something and is assuming instead?

not what I said in the least. Belief is not fact, belief is another word for "opinion" that we use in a religious context (we call it a synonym in English).

Oh, I misunderstood what you said then, my bad.

Yeah, which is why I let you know.

Cool? Glad we're on the same page?

Sure anon, did I give any indicators of being antagonistic?

Why should I?

It's 2000-year-old superstitious bullshit

What if god is a troon? How do you accept that?

Yea but it could just be that we're typing and I read into something that's not there.

and I read into something that's not there.

kek, so you were getting religious about our conversation?

That couldn't be true, God in its nature is incapable of lying because what it wills and thinks is absolute truth, at most God could be non-binary.

Because there's nothing in their stupid retarded religions that advocate for trans people.
God is simply a neutered male

Lol, yes. My new belief system is this thread. I will spend the next 2000 years studying it's text with other people who will interpret it different than me then wage war on them.

So you're just dumb, how droll. Sounded like a presuppositional copium for a sec there

K. There's clearly no way to have an intelligent rational conversation with you, so I'll stop trying now.

Oh if we are founding a new faith here, please include this post in the holy scripture

Ah of course, projection.
You're the one who can't answer or even parse the question

That'll be our islam equivalent offshoot of the main scripture. You will be the Christian equivalent with being the first declared son of God and I will be your Peter/Simon. And will be the retarded blind man that you heal.

Non-binary is troon shit

Can I be zoroastrianism instead? I don't feel mean enough to be Islam.

Apparenly Sarah from bible is a troon who's axe wound would be closed until it was dilated enough for xher to give birth

How does it feel knowing your prophet married a troon

It's equally as retarded for humans, but there are animals that are non-binary/ can be either sex, like slugs and worms. And I'm just saying that's technically what God would be if it changed it's gender at will.

No. I'm an adult.

but if you are a christian and believe in god, and view all of creation as the manifestations of his intent, wouldn't you also then be god? analogous to imagining something so vividly it feels like you're actually there

and view all of creation as the manifestations of his intent, wouldn't you also then be god?

No, you'd be a manifestation of his intent

Kek.
No, that's not linear logic.

i mean i know no pastors or christian scripture will agree with it but the model could work? at least it's a model

Ok so religion is based on the Bible, believing that all is the word of God and such.... both sides agree on this correct?

The Bible is pretty much plagiarism, many of the stories/content is from other way older texts, scholars have translated many texts from older civilizations religions and have found many stories in the Bible. Thus making this whole religion bs invalid. Because how can you claim that your holy book is so awesome and sacred and tells the whole truth and this God is the one and only, yet you find elements copied from other religions and texts and making them their own

I made a hammer as a manifestation of my intent to bonk stuff, is the hammer me?

the main reason children suffer is because the people surrounding them ignored the message

What message?

Ignore ME???!!!

How dare you!!! Now I'll make your children suffer!!!!

Yea, sounds like a rational being that deserves worship....

no i see that, i see that it must not necessarily follow from what i said. but i still like and think the model works.
it would be analogous to you wanting to think about bonking stuff, the hammer would then be you as you thought about it

"Worship me or suffer." - The Bible

if parents don't do crack there's no crack babies
if parents don't do crime and go to jail, there's no broken homes

implying crime is the only cause of broken homes.

Also that doesn't answer my question, what message? And who sent it while you're at it.

No.

There is literally no reason to.

what about birth defects? asteroids? why not take the position that God is so loving that he lets us experience everything completely unfiltered? i'm not religious or atheist but it just seems futile to try and explain away suffering in this way that youre trying to

The hammer becomes an extension of me when I use it but its not *me*

If I magically put some of myself into it to make it alive, it becomes more questionable but not a given.
Like a witches familiar vs something more independent. The familiar is more the witche than the hammer is me but not all that much

You mean: Worship me the right way or else!

his "message" is obedience to a violent religious dogma

I don't know is the only right answer.

I don't believe a god exists or said anything lol
But good point regardless

I don't believe is also correct

Think about it:

If God is so "good" why have so many innocents died in His name?

there's some rules to being a good person. you have to freedom to ignore that. god gave you that freedom. if you choose to throw in the wind all the positive help the bible gave. you're on your own. later you will be judged.

so people suffer, because they kill others who didnt deserve it, because they fuck themselves with drugs and alcohol. because there is a very reasonable law, and they choose to break it.

sure there's 7 years olds with bone cancer, and so the world turns. but you or anyone being in a shitty situation is always of their godless acts, or godless influence (like i said, crackbabies and one parent homes)

as it says in the bible

"And Amaziah said to the man of God, But what shall we do for the hundred talents which I have given to the army of Israel? And the man of God answered, The LORD is able to give thee much more than this."

not really

there is no evidence whatsoever a superior being that watches over us exists
it's brainwashing to think so

we are animals
animals die

no exceptions

it's pretty much in the beginning of the bible that the world was perfect until eve ate the apple

You talking about Christ the pacifist who preferred a humiliating painful execution over using violence to defend himself? Or do you mean Christians who invoke him to justify genocide?

no i agree that if you physically craft a hammer it is not you. i have conceded already that it doesn't necessarily follow from what i said. i can't think of an alternative, but still.
but to understand my model you can imagine physically crafting a hammer in your dream tonight. that hammer is you, as everything else in your dream would be, including the apparent outer world

Because he ain't, unlike most Christians I've read the bible

Christ also said he brings a sword not peace
he also literally told a fig tree to die

Christianity is a solider's religion anon

Your Bible still excludes people and ideas anon

Christianity was forced on an unwilling populace

there is no evidence whatsoever a superior being that watches over us exists

Hence why not believing is correct. Claiming disbelief would be an additional step you'd have to justify

Ohhh so your god sent the message.
What's the evidence?

I'm an athiest/recovering catholic my dude, preaching to the choir

Well sure if we're merely God's dream then we are God.
Good luck justifying that premise though.

Easily. Science does not allow for the presence of an all powerful Biblical God.

It is obviously mythology based on ignorance.

the reason i cant think of alternative is i guess because i cant imagine god already had "stuff" with which to build creation with, that would imply another ready-made "stuff" already with which he could "build" with. how did he make that?

the short answer is every atheist is a miserable humang being. even the rich ones

if you (as God) have that many haters, you must be doing something right

You aren't happy. You lose your shit every time your myth gets called out.

i know i am unhappy. because i am aware i'm ignoring the message. because i'm here replying to (You)

you should ignore the message, that's the point

your religion is a failure that has caused the death of countless millions

I appreciate your two clobber verses but if you read the rest of the NT it's pretty clear that he commanded total nonviolence by his followers. That understanding didn't last very long, but that's kind of my point.

Yeah

you are completely wrong. people not too long ago knew an emotion called shame. we are able to feel that way because our body knows it's bad for us. being shameless is being godless

doesn't matter
if your religion were really a guarantee of peace there wouldn't be such a legacy of murdered "heretics"

Christianity failed. Face it.

wrong

no I'm not

you're clinging to a failed religion that has killed countless people in its name
there shouldn't have been ANY deaths because of it

it is a failure

Well if we're talking yaweh/god of the bible then yeah its pretty safe to claim it doesn't exist.

I asked for evidence not easily debunked claims/argument ad (un)populum.

I'm much happier now that I'm outta the cult, Try again.
(Or concede you don't have evidence)

Apparently not, since billions of people are still brainwashed by it

otherwise, why believe in a god? Where is the reasoning behind that?

Why would you want a powerful being controlling you?

I have no obligation to prove anything to you, that other person your replying to isn't me.

every atheist is a miserable humang being

I'm not

I rejoice knowing the real truth
that I don't have to be a slave like some pilgrim

following some good advice and enjoying a couple good stories and metaphors from an old book is not the same as slavery

question was: do you believe in god
it was not: are you a muslim

Right. I'll just tell the heretic that who got half-burned back in the Middle Ages for choosing not to take that "advice" anon.

I'll just tell the gay gay

Your religion is a gun to the head.

this man does not understand the concept of progress

if you likey bible then why people die 800 years ago

I understand the concept of progress fully.

As societies advance, we shed myth and look to science and reason, and realize our time here is finite.

if not god then exactly what are looking for out there?

they want gays and trans people to die right now
they believe other races are stumbling children

fuck Christians

we're talking about god, not christianity

Peace.
And if I want to look at something, I'll check out Hubble space pics.
Stars and the universe are the real "miracle" here and we just take those wonders for granted

Not really. If you want to boil down the entire message of the Bible into a single sentence it would be this: "For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, and whomever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

i'm just thinking about stuff. it seems easier to justify than specific modern religions to me at least.
it doesn't explain why there is perception/anything to begin with at all though but maybe it's impossible to have satisfying cognitive resolution on that

No difference

you are so very wrong. i cannot express how simple you must be. such a horrible, ignorant post

But we're seeing God did not love the world, his "Son" is a myth, and those that chose to reject that message were killed or their lives destroyed.

When so many people die because of this "good " thing, it isn't good.

Apparently not, since billions of people are still brainwashed by it

So? That's why its called brainwashing

otherwise, why believe in a god? Where is the reasoning behind that?

Fear, either of that god or of the false dichotomy presented about it.

Why would you want a powerful being controlling you

Because they consider it preferable to be at the mercy of a god than an uncaring universe

you don't believe

SHAME

YOU'RE IGNORANT

You're literally behaving like the Christian fascists you're trying to distance yourself from

As I thought, no evidence.
A shame.

Concession accepted, ty for your honesty

The answers to questions as opposed to answering a mystery with a mystery

it doesn't explain why there is perception/anything to begin with at all though but maybe it's impossible to have satisfying cognitive resolution on that.

Perhaps not to your satisfaction, not having an answer doesn't mean you can say "therfore it's magic"

no no i'm with you, and i didn't mean for the model to explain that either

you're not ignorant you're hopeless. you have no hope