I will NOT allow one unfortunate suicide keep me down

"The definition of delusion is believing something that contradicts reality."
So, believing you are a woman while being a man is delusional.

Gender is self defined.
If my soul was removed from my body and put in a toaster, I would be a male toaster.
It has nothing to do with your body and everything to do with your identity.

Now, assuming hypothetically there is NO God in this universe, why would I want to be like you when you're belief system is worthless?

You don't know what my belief system is.

How much would I have to pay you to say you believe in God?

There is no amount of money that would get me to say that, because I've made a vow to myself that I will never lie.

Interesting, so if George Soros waddled in and offered you six million dollars to affirm the existence of a God, you would not?
And that's not a lie?

I would tell him to insert all of that money up his ass in 50 cent coins and that is not a lie.

no amount of money to get him to say that

"made a vow to never lie"

anon didn't make this vow, he'd do that shit ON THE SPOT

Interesting, to be honest, I just came up with this argument this morning, I didn't expect anyone to also have no limit on what they'd do to avoid switching teams.
Respect for that, truly.
However, I haven't made that vow, what's the value of atheism to me?
Why should I give up psychological bennies (in a universe without God) that retain their value without any unusual vows?

Maybe, maybe not, but if I just say he's lying that'd be ad hom.

not a single cell in my body cares about who you are and what you do

However, I haven't made that vow, what's the value of atheism to me?

I have no idea, I have no particular need for you to become an atheist. Being trans or religious is like your penis, it is okay if you are proud of it, but please refrain from shoving it down my throat and the throats of children.

Why should I give up psychological bennies (in a universe without God) that retain their value without any unusual vows?

Again, that is up to you, believe that all you want.
All I'm saying is that if you are going to claim that your belief is the universal truth, you will have to prove that your god exists to the point that no one needs faith to believe in him anymore, because he is right there in the flesh and irrefutably being god.

Saving people from years to decades of confusion, self harm, and misery is not grooming kids. Stop getting your info from memes and maybe go talk to a professional gender therapist before spouting your hate

No bro. It's for the ragebait

It's not funny and continuing to spew your nonsense is putting kids in harm's way. If you actually cared you know this instead of attempting to justify your shitty behaviors and lack of empathy

talk to a professional gender therapist before spouting your hate

Go get groomed by the professional groomer before you call something grooming.

i'm not reading all that lol but i figured you'd get pissy about not being able to molest kids

I claim my God is hidden but active and is able to do that through omnipotence.
I don't really care if you don't believe in God for a number of reasons we don't need to get into.
I usually coach all interreligious conversations about God with "If then" statements.
For instance, If God is omniscient, then he knows more about myself than I do.

So you admit you don't actually care and just need the excuse to be a shitty person. Gotcha

You just don't know any trans people.
It starts young, very young.
They're usually bullied and confused for many years and even when they figure it out they're scared to come out as trans.
It's sad bro.

Good on you for trying to argue in a good way anon, you just didn't start with that in your reply to the op. You did do a good job of proving that both beliefs are articles of faith that can't be proven and thus shouldn't be used to make legislation or the like.

I was stating my beliefs because very often faith is used to attack trans people.
It's important to stand up for them and to stand against anti-Christian practices like not loving trans people and treating them right.
I did not mean to say "this is scientifically proven"

I did not mean to say "this is scientifically proven"

Then I have no beef with you, be kind to trans people when they deserve kindness, just don't blow smoke up their ass and tell them that being a trans man or woman means that they are actual men and women. They can have their gender identity, but you can't equate it fully with the sex identity they are emulating.

What about the classic Buck Angel or Bailey Jay problem?

Is Buck Angel more of a woman than OP?
I'd argue that it's just the opposite.

Man is an adult human male and woman is an adult human female, what they look like does not change their sex in any way.
Trans men still have the sex of a woman and trans women still have the sex of men, so they are not the same as their opposite sex and that's just a fact, it can't be changed.
I'll be polite and use pronouns and show people respect, but if they demand me to utter falsehoods they are not respecting me and I don't mind refusing to do so to them directly.

What are you Jordan Peterson?
lol
anyway those are very rigid definitions and there are always freaks of nature like hermies and what not, what do you call them?

what they want to be called

Like I said, if you put my soul in a toaster, the toaster is a man.

anyway those are very rigid definitions

They're not any less rigid than the definitions trans people use to convince tomboys and femboys that they have to be trans when they could just be tomboys and femboys without any issues.
My stance is that you can be as masculine or feminine as you want and present yourself as you see fit, just don't try to force me into claiming that two things that aren't the same, is the same.

and there are always freaks of nature like hermies and what not, what do you call them?

Hermies and whatnot. Trans women are trans women and that is fine, they just aren't women.
>Like I said, if you put my soul in a toaster, the toaster is a man.
Nah, but it is sapient and through that deserving of consideration and civility.

lmao I had a similar one except I ended up taking my own life

It's funny now but it sucked at the time

There is no arguing. If they can't quote a religion then they will try to quote science. Neither are infallible and few are looking for a civil debate or fruitful conversation to better learn or understand. It's an attempt at a confirmation bias of their feelings while rejecting others. A study can be released tomorrow that fully supports trans individuals as the gender they identify as and it will be ignored in favor of conjecture.

At a point you just have to accept you're dealing with a miserable human being unwilling to put the effort to change and just move on

How's the weather up on that high horse anon?

A trans person telling a tomboy they're trans is just as wrong as a man telling a transwoman she's a man.

Sometimes it do be like that, you forgive them, dust your sandals, and move on.
Part of life, all kinds of opinions.

A trans person telling a tomboy they're trans is just as wrong as a man telling a transwoman she's a man.

I'm glad we agree, I'd just add that a trans woman telling someone that they have to consider them an actual woman is just as wrong.

I suppose it depends on your definition of woman, but again, if I put my soul in a toaster, and I tell you "I'm a man in here in this toaster" and you say "Yeah right object." You'd be acting like a cunt and I might burn your toast on purpose.

You just don't know any trans people.

Because there are none.
There's men with AGP, gay men that want to fuck straight men, schizophrenics with a hyper fixation on getting a sex change, and men that hate themselves and think cutting of their dick will magically turn them into a different person.

Troons

When two beliefs clash about an individual and neither contradicts reality, the individual decides their identity and how they express it, not the bystander that doesn't know them.

Alright, then do all of that very far away from me and never let me know any of that.

Troons are the ones living at odds with reality though.

I suppose it depends on your definition of woman

Adult human female if you are asking about the sex.

if I put my soul in a toaster, and I tell you "I'm a man in here in this toaster" and you say "Yeah right object." You'd be acting like a cunt and I might burn your toast on purpose.

You technically wouldn't be a man anymore, but you would be a person and I would treat you as such and politely ask you to toast my bread when I want toast.

I don't understand why these people are fixated on identity. Identity doesn't mean anything.

Because they’re small gay and stupid people whose lives revolve around consumerism, social media, and gay pop culture.

I am a female identity in a male body

is not a claim you can disprove and it matches reality from an outsider's perspective.

That's where I disagree. My physical flesh doesn't define me anymore than my hypothetical toaster body does.
See the Ship of Theseus.
Afterall, if you were your physical body, bad news, you're gone.
The human body replaces every cell every 7 years or so, you died a long time ago.

is not a claim you can disprove

Because it doesn't mean anything.

physical flesh doesn't define me

Yes it does. Try living without it.

It might not mean anything to you but for others it is everything and without even understanding their perspective, how can you possibly criticize it?

How are you going to stop me?

Not to go back to religion but Jesus Christ did that.
His ideas and teachings far exceeded his person.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's destroying himself." - Sun Tzu.
All I can do is point out you're not walking in truth and hope you do better.

Brool cory sto

Wasting no time with the bait threads, I see.

You're less than one percent of the population and all your mainstream attention has been manufactured by the media because of a handful of rich activists.

In less than ten years people like you will dissolve back into the shadows to live out your degenerate fantasies in private once again with the occasional troon brave or disconnected enough to go outside in a dress mocked and laughed.

wait, what happened? did some famous tranny kill themselves or something?

Ask not for whom the rope waits, for it waits for thee.

the general population doesn't give a fuck about trannies you pos racist ass retard. leave people alone like i dont understand why you have to obess over people whoa arent hurting you

You're making yourself known, you're causing psychic damage.
Imagine having a completely normal day and suddenly you see a guy eating shit out of nowhere, that's what it's like interacting with or even just seeing one of you people.

i dont know about you but right wingers whole life is about some manufactured commodified identity.

implying I'm on the political spectrum

Looney troons and nigger nazis are on opposite ends of the same horseshoe.

Everyone i hate is a troooooon!

Could it be that peple are killing trans people and assaulting trans people? maybe that is why people have been pissed off for the last 10 years. In 25 years you will be looked at the same way we look at people who supported jim crow in the south. Youre a fucking pos dude. Imagine having a normal day and you run into some obessedd freak racist babbling about stereotypes he made up to scare himself.

im not on the political spectrem

troons and niggers

lmao you're delusional i see

Everyone I hate is right wing!

Ok, then don't let people know about your fetishes. Do think I got out in a shirt that says "If you are a woman over six foot tall please choke me to death"?

youre a bigot and a racist so yeah that makes you right wing. Wanting to do world war 2 germany here makes you right wing.

Dont be racist and a pos bigot have you considered that?

Why do you feel like everyone has to know about your sexual tastes?

Go on, hand me more opinions I haven't espoused.

why do you feel the need to be a bigot?

Hey look, another discorded bait thread.

I mean if it walks like a duck....

Explain why you need to let everyone know you're a sissy femboy first.

So you're a donkey because you sound like an ass?

he mad.

Are you having a Freudian moment here?

Are you going to actually answer any of my questions?

he mad.

Said the man refuted.

I am trans, proud, and will stand up and say it loud.

Gay

Good for you, my heart goes out to you.
Don't let people convince you the door is closed, God loves all his children.

Proud of what? Did you do your own surgery?

God isn't real.

anon, we actually have to be enguaed in a debate for you to have refuted anything.

no because they are just a sterotype you use as a defense mechanism because you fear the unknown.

based and redpilled

Bingo. Any kind of education is liberal Jew propaganda. You are supposed to live in a nightmare reality, where your only news is propaganda about the "others", and Boogeymen are around EVERY corner. The trannies are comin' fer yer kids!

Skill issue.

you're afraid

Why is that the first thing anyone thinks when someone reacts with disgust to them?
Are you afraid of rotting meat?

Because it's true. It's psychology, anon. You arent the way you are (a racist and a bigot) for no reason. You are the way you are for a reason. Prolly part nature and part nurture.

Do you have any sense of disgust at all?

do you have any empathy or sympathy for anyone other than yourself? Are you just a full psychopath, or, what?

Can you feel disgust, yes or no.

can you feel empathy yes or no?

Yes.

Why lie? lol Makes no sense. This is an anonymous image board.

Assume I'm not lying, what then?

say ack niggerfaggot

Why are you afraid of giving an answer?
Do you think if you do I'll be able to corner you?
That's not the behavior of someone that knows they're right.

nah u kill yourself or smth

Can do but why are you afraid to answer the question?

Do a flip on the way down trooners

Hate who we tell you to hate, peon

Tell me what you feel when you look at this image.