Any Atheists ever change their mind's?

Every Atheist used to be a believer in a higher power(s), but has the reverse ever happened?

I am an atheist for sure

I do beleive in the suepr natural but I don't at the same time

like if someone is apeice of shit n something bad happens to them I will do "oh that's karma"

but like if something bad happens to someone I dont deserves to have something happend I go "that confirms there is no god"

XD

like all the kids starving to death in gaza right now. If there is a god why would the jews be allowed to mass starv children to death?

god is the jews side? in which case why is god telling the jews to starv children to death?

that is like some satan level shit to me. idk

fuck spirituality that shit is bullshit. I am just gonna say there no such things. But people. People exist.

Yep. I was pretty much an atheist when I was younger and quite progressive but I grew out of it.

believer in a higher powers

i do not believe in any god, and have never believed in one.

Every Atheist used to be a believer in a higher power

Incorrect

I used to be an atheist. I couldn’t stand that people would just accept an entire set of rules based on a book. I got into apologetics and specifically the arguments for reasoning to a conclusion on a universal moral truth. It’s like you say as an axiom “Nothing in this world is perfect”, If you assume the statement is perfect then you have to assume the statement itself is imperfect, meaning a perfection exists. It’s not just that but also the fact that the more you learn about the world the more mysteries are made apparent. Quantum mechanics for example, the fact we have randomness in our universe is in it of itself a miracle. The fact that fundamental particles have the mass they do is another miracle. Higher intelligence could be any form of things, maybe the most convincing argument comes from edwin A abbots book “flatland a romance of many dimensions” where it outlines how 2d beings would have an impossible time explaining what 2 dimensions are to a 1 dimensional being and thusly with a 3rd dimensional being to a 2nd, it begs the question that if there was a direction other than length width and height, a fourth dimension. It would be unobservable by us but also explain randomness in our universe or any other number of unexplainable things. Atheists relish in their arrogance that “There is nothing” and they have everything figured out when the more you learn the more you realize you cannot be sure of anything, it requires humility and a willingness to accept no matter how much you think you know you really know nothing.

*every atheist used to be brainwashed by religion

Also logfag thread

Enrage the godshit
Enrage him enrage him enrage him

but has the reverse ever happened?

rarely, most atheists get that way by being raised under a religion from birth and thinking that's just how it is, because why would adults lie to them? then one day they actually think about it for 2 seconds, find out other religions exist, and realize it's all made up bullshit
it would take some major life crisis to convert someone back to a religion

I’ve been an atheist since 14 and I’ve seen nothing in my 40 some years that would possibly change my mind. There’s no divine presence up there, out there, or in you. Humans just have to believe their own ridiculous stories as they somewhat ease their fear of death. That will never change.

It seems the majority of the Atheists I have met are ex-Christians.

I wonder if that isolated tribe on North Sentinel Island have created any gods? That would be very interesting.

It’s like you say as an axiom “Nothing in this world is perfect”, If you assume the statement is perfect then you have to assume the statement itself is imperfect, meaning a perfection exists.

What here is meant by perfect? If you mean without error. I doubt an atheist would argue that nothing is without error. 1+1=2 is without error. That does not imply that there is a god.

Quantum mechanics for example, the fact we have randomness in our universe is in it of itself a miracle.

Not really, it just implies that randomness exists. Also, it is quantum theory, there are very real theories about quantum physics that randomness, in fact, does not exist. Either way, even if it did, that does not mean that miracles exist.

The fact that fundamental particles have the mass they do is another miracle.

why?

where it outlines how 2d beings would have an impossible time explaining what 2 dimensions are to a 1 dimensional being and thusly with a 3rd dimensional being to a 2nd, it begs the question that if there was a direction other than length width and height, a fourth dimension. It would be unobservable by us but also explain randomness in our universe or any other number of unexplainable things.

if you read the book, it was actually explainable, No one believed him because it was complicated and people didn't want to explain explain complicated things. Also, if randomness happened because of things happening in the 4th dimension then it wouldn't be random. it would just have an unobservable non-random cause which contradicts your previous argument that randomness is a miracle.

>Atheists relish in their arrogance that “There is nothing” and they have everything figured out when the more you learn the more you realize you cannot be sure of anything, it requires humility and a willingness to accept no matter how much you think you know you really know nothing.

but aren't you equally as arrogantly claiming there is a god?

Yeah, but the most of ex-atheists are also Christian.

I was insufferably atheist once. When I reached the age of reason, I started identifying as atheist, but after spending a few years of being reasonable, I became Catholic.

nice larp

It’s doubtful you were ever an atheist. Bible stories are reasonable? Spare me.

I'm glad that we can both agree that atheists have only given about 2 seconds worth of thought to theology.

It doesn’t merit any more than that.

because that's more than enough time to figure out religion is fake bullshit

Alright, then. Genuine question. What is it that makes theism such a ridiculous belief to you? What makes you so confidently convinced that there is no God?

Yes and No.

Coherent responses only, please.

i was an atheist, but now I believe in my dick, which has the healing power to transform sluts and prostitutes into good housewives and mothers.I have healed hundreds of wifes.

What is it that makes theism such a ridiculous belief to you?

it's understandable why people believe religion, or belong to a faith, or go to church
there a many who don't believe all that deeply, or just do it for the community, etc
that doesn't mean that the things it preaches are actually real though, that's a whole different discussion entirely

God is clearly made up fiction. If you start excepting the possibility of made up fiction being real, then you are going to have a major issue since there are an infinite number of fictional things that can be proposed.

Yes, but has it occurred to you that many people are religious for reasons other than community? That they are theists because they genuinely believe it, not from wishful thinking? In your reckoning, why are these people wrong/mistaken?

clearly

What qualities of God lead you to believe that He is self-evidentially false?

Imagine not finding out Santa isn't real....
same vibe as any religious beliefs

Every Atheist used to be a believer in a higher power(s)

What makes you claim this?
I was never religious because I was never indoctrinated.

Yes, but has it occurred to you that many people are religious for reasons other than community?

I literally said that, yes, people have countless reasons for being religious, all personal to them, and they all vary in degree, most people aren't devout monks dedicating their entire life and purpose to it, it's just another aspect of their lives that might hold more or less weight and importance for them

That they are theists because they genuinely believe it, not from wishful thinking?

you know those aren't mutually exclusive right? you can geniunely believe something because you also consciously or unconsciously want it to be true

That they are theists because they genuinely believe it, not from wishful thinking?

you still don't get it. believing something doesn't make the thing you believe to be actually true, you get that, right?

Not that anon, but how do you believe in something that you don't know to be true?

it's called faith, were you a sheltered child? have you never been exposed to a single religion or religious person in the entire world?
and people can convince themselves of anything, if you believe with your whole heart that something is true then it's true to you, whether it's true in an absolute sense doesn't matter at that point, because you perceive it to be true, and perception is reality to people

it's called faith, were you a sheltered child? have you never been exposed to a single religion or religious person in the entire world?

Sure I've met them and my parents enabled me to read up on all of the religions that I wanted, I just never had faith, because I wasn't indoctrinated into it while I was so young that anything an adult said would be literal gospel.
You're acting all defensive, but I've been asking how to faith for a while now because I see you theist guys derive benefit from it, so perhaps the flippant reply is a bit overaggressive of you.
You do offer the same advice that makes no sense to me, so I guess I'm just not built for faith, because "just believe harder" doesn't work when I don't even have a little belief in any religion to begin with.

see the flowchart
If this is your post is sincere, you took the route of:

never sincerely re-engage with theism

maintain immature understanding of theism

I am precisely against the fiction of Santa Claus for precisely this reason. Does more harm than good, as does every falsehood. When kids become old enough to question Santa Clause, they question God because they conflate the two despite the vastly different ontological natures of the beings. Basically, you stopped giving serious consideration to God when you were a child, so you still have a child's understanding of God.

you still don't get it. believing something doesn't make the thing you believe to be actually true, you get that, right?

Yes, I get that. What I'm saying is that you need to step away from the idea that God is nothing more than wishful thinking because people come to the conclusion that God exists based on actual reason and evidence. Philosophy, Science, Mathematics, Historicity, Ethics, and virtually every field of study yields a theistic worldview. Not conclusively because that would be impossible, but circumstantially. What I'm getting at is that it's incredibly naive to think that all religious people are either unintelligent or deluded. Believing in God doesn't make it Him exist, but there are good reasons to believe in His existence.

What qualities of God lead you to believe that He is self-evidentially false?

1. 1st, your God is hippie zombie Jew obsessed with foreskins.
Remember which God is being talked about: The God of the Bible & not a detached Deist God.
2. John 9:6, spitting in the dirt and rubbing it in the eyes of a blind man to make him see and other miracles.
3. Numerous contradictions in the Bible.
4. This reality is not anthropocentric.

religion= getting grifted by people who know how to use your "faith" for their goals

because I see you theist

I'm an atheist, you asked a question how someone could believe something that isn't true and I explained it to you, I'm not here to tell you how to achieve faith

You do offer the same advice that makes no sense to me

I didn't offer any advice, what are you talking about?

Fair man, I thought you were a theist and asked.
You did offer advice though, the same advice theists offer, which is "just believe it and you'll believe it".

because people come to the conclusion that God exists based on actual reason and evidence

they come up with reasons, sure, but there's no actual evidence, only a bunch of conicidences and things they can't explain that they retroactively attribute to "god"
you can never prove god exists unless god himself comes down and proves it to everyone unequivocally which is very likely never going to happen, so by definition belief boils down to wishful thinking, there's nothing else to go on

virtually every field of study yields a theistic worldview

no they don't, in any conceivable way, you're just taking an assumption that there is a god and rationalizing how that fits on to other fields, you're seeing patterns you expect to see, literally hallucinating god into existence in your own mind

Something I notice with Theists is most of them use the term "God" in the abstract sense & not clearly indicating the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

You did offer advice though

that wasn't advice, you asked how people believe, and I told you, they convince themselves of it
people are very good at gaslighting themselves and others into believing things that aren't true, it's the reason cults exist and are effective at recruiting some people
some people will even disregard reason because they so badly want something to be true they convince themselves that it must be and just buy into it completely

which means what to you?

Cults are just religions that are not popular
they both have no proof

First, I think you’re mistaken on atheism, it’s simply an absence of belief in deities, not a belief that there are no deities (although this secondary belief would be fundamentally atheistic in nature). So, personally most agnostic atheists like myself just simply have an absence of belief, due to multiple reasons, like lack of sufficient evidence.

I’m also an igtheist personally, meaning I think the classical theistic concept/definition of God is logically incoherent. I think the claim “God exists” has no meaning, resulting in no truth value at all, it’s neither true nor false. It’s simply meaningless.

That is a slight of hand meant to make people infer that God is their Christian god and that everyone agrees on that.
It's like referring to yourself as "He who is always correct".

I live to enrage the god shit
Enrage him
Enrage the god shit
He is a Christ shit

only a bunch of conicidences and things they can't explain that they retroactively attribute to "god"

Just how many coincidences is required for you to believe in something other than God, exactly? An ever-mounting series of coincidences is exactly how we form most of our beliefs. In fact, that's how just about every court case by jury is handled.

you can never prove god exists unless god himself comes down and proves it to everyone unequivocally which is very likely never going to happen

Oh, boy, do I have some news for you. You see, some time around A.D. 0-ish there was this guy who was born in Bethlehem...

I precisely mean the Abrahamic God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. That is, I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Your Biblical contradictions are the result of an underdeveloped understanding of scripture.

thinking that fringe sects of the incorrect somehow disproves the popular consensus

I imagine they don't like to go into particulars but appeal to an abstract idea of God to avoid the intricacies linked to the Bible and Abrahamic God of the Old Testament.

You're mixing a god with an ultimate reality, everyone believes in an ultimate reality, that could be lógic, hidden laws
of the universe, a higher form of self/being or a cultural god, atheiat don't believe the últimate reality Is a cultural god, that the purest dorm of being can be know by you not eating pork, do something specific a specific day or covering a random part of your body, atheiat in general establis logic/justice as the best form of ultimate reality to articulate, selling atheiat as nihilist Is just a dishonest strawman

Just how many coincidences is required for you to believe in something other than God, exactly?

humans are pattern-recognition machines, to the point we find patterns in things where none exist, star constellations are a good example. it doesn't matter how many coincidences you think are related in your head, there are trillions of interactions of objects and humans in the world every day, there are bound to be things that eerily line up, it's inevitible. it's a mistake to attribute a god you made up in your head as being responsible for it
you seeing patterns and making up a story to explain it is not evidence or proof of any gods

Oh, boy, do I have some news for you

a story people wrote in a book thousands of years ago isn't proof either. I can write my own book and make equally wild claims, that doesn't mean it happened. by that logic the Lord of the Rings depicts real events

The question of whether God exists is binary and every person must fall to one side or another. In that way, absence of belief is the same as belief of absence. If you're a member of the former camp and the reason you give is that you "lack sufficient evidence," it simply means that you aren't actively looking into it; spiritually and academically slothful. Most theists will agree that the sufficient evidence is available for anyone seeking to answer the question. "Knock and the door will be opened, seek and you shall find."

I think the classical theistic concept/definition of God is logically incoherent

In what way?

You see, some time around A.D. 0-ish there was this guy who was born in Bethlehem...

How can you proof he's the son of god tho?

Grew up cristian, told god to take me ome day never did, were just mulch, fertilizer.

We're talking about a God who doesn't shy away from performing miracles, but in our present circumstance is very shy.
The Old Testament God wasn't afraid to make himself known and part massive bodies of water, flood the world, stop the Sun (Joshua 10:12-14), etc.

humans are pattern-recognition machines, to the point we find patterns in things where none exist

Yes, but the majority of what humans find when resolving our patters are accurate to reality. That's how science happens in the first place. Why is it that you put the coincidences that cause people to conclude the existence of God in the category of inaccurate pattern recognition rather than accurate pattern recognition?

I can write my own book and make equally wild claims, that doesn't mean it happened.

by that logic the Lord of the Rings depicts real events

You may be able to write a book with equally wild claims, but people will take it even less seriously than they take The Lord of the Rings. Because, first, The Lord of the Rings doesn't propose to convey historical events, and second, your book wouldn't be supported by anyone's testimony but your own.

The New Testament wasn't the result of a single author telling an interesting story. It was the result of the compilation of several letters people wrote to each other about a historical claim that was being taken very seriously by the authorities, as well as several biographical accounts purportedly from eye-witnesses or people who claimed to know eye-witnesses (all of whom were willing to die for their testimonies). And, apparently, these events were convincing enough in their social and cultural context to achieve wide, near-universal acceptance. So much so that it was deemed so significant that our entire world reckons time in relation to the events which were recorded.

Call me a skeptic, but I really don't think you could write such a book.

For one, the written and oral tradition of the witnesses to His ministry regarding both His claims to Divinity and His signs which established/verified it. There are also the relics verifying those traditions and the signs which continue to this day.

I'm sure that if you witnessed the miracles recorded in the Bible firsthand, you'd probably regard them as coincidental. God still performs miracles; you're just too skeptical of them to see them for what they are when they occur or to believe them when you are told about them.

but the majority of what humans find when resolving our patters are accurate to reality.

that's demonstrably false, believing you see a pattern doesn't mean it's actually there, or is caused by what you think it is. do you think the shapes humans make out of constellations in the sky are real?

Why is it that you put the coincidences that cause people to conclude the existence of God in the category of inaccurate pattern recognition rather than accurate pattern recognition?

because there's no evidence of god, the entire premise of god is made up by humans in the first place, we pretend it exists and then go retroactively attribute things to this invented idea of god

The New Testament

is irrelevant, it's a collection of stories and ideas created by humans, and you're also pretending like that book somehow has more weight than the countless other religious texts in other traditions written over the course of human history. if you grew up in a non-western country and raised under a different religion you wouldn't hold in with the same weight

but I really don't think you could write such a book.

so the book is true and god is real because you "feel" that's how it has to be? how is that a convincing argument?

you'd probably regard them as coincidental

or misinterpreted, or greatly exaggerated, or completely fabricated
and why does it have all these "miracles", but in the modern age with cameras and video recording equipment we suddenly can't capture any of them now? you'd think youtube and tiktok would be full of miracles happening all the time, but somehow not a single one?

and why does it have all these "miracles", but in the modern age with cameras and video recording equipment we suddenly can't capture any of them now? you'd think youtube and tiktok would be full of miracles happening all the time, but somehow not a single one?

In my experience they're subtle, probably intentionally so. I don't think I've seen magic that could have been recorded by conventional cameras. But I've seen it. The gods don't seem to be democratic about who they show it to.

So yeah I wasn't religious until recently.

Yeah men can become women is the most logical thing ever kek

Yeah being gay is the ultimate thing am I right

that's demonstrably false

You have a confirmation bias. I am well aware that false pattern recognition can be demonstrated, but on a day-to-day basis, you make thousands of choices and judgements based on pattern recognition that you've implemented correctly.

because there's no evidence of god

No evidence that you, as of yet, have seen that has been sufficient to convince you. There is the possibility that you have not encountered the evidence necessary for you to overcome your own burden of proof despite the evidence existing, or it's possible that your own burden of proof is set unreasonably high (perhaps even based on your own wishful thinking) such that no amount of existing evidence can overcome it despite the claim being true.

it's a collection of stories and ideas created by humans

The historical record doesn't support this.

that book somehow has more weight than the countless other religious texts in other traditions

It does, though. The documents compiled in the New Testament have stood up to more scrutiny and affected the world more than any other religious texts.

so the book is true and god is real because you "feel" that's how it has to be? how is that a convincing argument?

I don't know what argument you're referring to because I never said anything about my feelings proving anything. You said that you could make equally wild claims, and my response is that you might be able to do that, but it wouldn't inspire the belief generated by the New Testament because your story would be a fabrication while the NT is documentation of a real historical event.

If I told you to convince the world that you know a guy who can perform miracles and claims to be God, just how many people do you think would believe you? And why do you think it would be substantially less than the people who believe in the New Testament?

I don't think I've seen magic that could have been recorded by conventional cameras

such as? how did you see it but a camera couldn't?
and you know we have cameras and instrumentation that can record things that humans can't directly perceive themselves right? so how could you perceive something that couldn't be by something else?

such as? how did you see it but a camera couldn't?

and you know we have cameras and instrumentation that can record things that humans can't directly perceive themselves right? so how could you perceive something that couldn't be by something else?

There couldn't have been a conventional camera there to record it, afaik. And it's my view that the gods are entirely unbound by our spacetime, so they could well vet the territory for cameras beforehand.

The documents compiled in the New Testament have stood up to more scrutiny and affected the world more than any other religious texts.

I know a god and it isn't YHWH.

you make thousands of choices and judgements based on pattern recognition that you've implemented correctly.

and many that aren't as well, the accuracy rate is never 100%

No evidence that you, as of yet, have seen that has been sufficient to convince you

I'd glad you agree

There is the possibility that you have not encountered the evidence

sure, and if god himself proved he existed I'd be convinced and would believe in god, I'd have no choice at that point, but until that day comes

The historical record doesn't support this.

it absolutely does, the historical record is literally created by humans

The documents compiled in the New Testament have stood up to more scrutiny and affected the world more than any other religious texts.

the books of the bible have been translated, retranslated, editorialized, and reinterpreted countless times
an infallible word of god wouldn't suffer from any of these problems, it would be unambiguous and understood by all

because your story would be a fabrication while the NT is documentation of a real historical event.

I can write a book that references historical events too, that doesn't mean every aspect it is equally true

And why do you think it would be substantially less than the people who believe in the New Testament?

how is this a real question? if anything it proves my point, people put weight in established religions because other people believe it, that doesn't make it true, it's literally an argument of authority
if you claimed the same things in the bible happened yesterday people would say you're crazy and wouldn't believe you

You're acting like that hasn't been God's MO from the beginning. Why do you think the prophets of the OT were constantly executed? God's miracles were never accounted as miracles by many of the people in antiquity.

Be real, if a man warned everyone that they would die in a terrible flood a month from now if they didn't change their evil ways and then, a month later, it actually started raining, would believe him? As the floodwaters washed you and your house away, would you regard it as a miracle or a coincidence?

Christ's miracles were numerous and virtually undeniable in front of large crowds however, and so were the miracles performed by His Apostles. And nowadays, we still have miracles that are verified by witnesses and scientific testing, but people still regard them as hoaxes.

There couldn't have been a conventional camera there to record it, afaik

you didn't answer the question, how could you somehow perceive something that no other instrument could have recorded?
humans have very limited senses in the grand scheme of things, we can only detect a very tiny portion of the radiation spectrum, sound frequency range, and temperature, and not much else

the books of the bible have been translated, retranslated, editorialized, and reinterpreted countless times

Can you prove or substantiate this claim? Because this is an easily disproven claim that just gets parroted like an atheist talking point, but never used by people who have actually looked into the development of the Bible.

if anything it proves my point, people put weight in established religions because other people believe it

At the time of Christianity's inception it was not an established religion, by definition.

if you claimed the same things in the bible happened yesterday people would say you're crazy and wouldn't believe you

Okay, I agree. So why did people believe it back then? Do you think that people were just genuinely more gullible in the past?

you didn't answer the question, how could you somehow perceive something that no other instrument could have recorded?

You're a fucking retard, I didn't say nothing could have recorded it. I SPECIFICALLY said conventional camera, because I can imagine theoretical technology that would be invisible to me.

And the gods know better than I do where recording devices are, I'm sure.

You're acting like that hasn't been God's MO from the beginning

how do you know god's methods or intentions?

Be real, if a man warned everyone that they would die in a terrible flood a month from now if they didn't change their evil ways and then, a month later, it actually started raining, would believe him?

and if it didn't happen? I can count many times in my life that people claimed the world would end, or some catastrophic event was going to happen, and it never did
most of the time disasters or horrible things happen without any warning or predictions

Christ's miracles were numerous and virtually undeniable in front of large crowds

according to the book claiming they happened in the first place
most everything written about Jesus was from 3rd parties that never met him, years after he supposedly lived

you know god could instantly solve all of this and prove he exists unequivocally right? why doesn't he just do that? it would be so easy
and there's no argument you could make to convince me otherwise, even if you wrote paragraphs until the day you die, none of it is evidence or convincing enough

I SPECIFICALLY said conventional camera

so then what did you perceive? temperature change? wind? some other equally banal phenomenon that has countless explanations that don't require any gods?

and there's no argument you could make to convince me otherwise, even if you wrote paragraphs until the day you die, none of it is evidence or convincing enough

Thanks. I was wanting to go to bed and you just gave me the incentive. Have a good night, Anon. Thanks for the conversation.

so then what did you perceive?

Something changed instantaneously in front of my open eyes, just enough to be definite. I don't want to say what it was, but I could make up anything couldn't I? Maybe sometime I'll use it as a test to see if someone else who claims similar affiliation is a bullshitter. My eyesight was also significantly improved, later.

Something changed instantaneously in front of my open eyes, just enough to be definite

sound like something a camera could record to me

you could easily make the argument that i'm just a christian in denial.

sound like something a camera could record to me

You have a subnormal IQ and can't understand simple sentences.

I was an unbeliever, but now I know His Noodleness to be The One true God
Marinara be with you

I must be dumb, I thought cameras record elector-mangnetic waves, is that not true? you saw something with you eyes, but a camera couldn't do the same?

Happened to me sort of yeah

I used to be a hardcore atheist for the first ~19 years of my life, which gradually shifted into pantheism. I worshipped the universe itself as my god from 19 to 28.

At around 26, I started to question if there was more to religious morality, and values. I was still a pantheist, but started to entertain the thought that Christian values were important, even if their belief system was not.

At 28, strange coincidences started happening to me that were too coincidental to mark off as, well, coincidences. I began communicating with reality itself, seeing things before they happened and learning very deep interconnected lessons on a reflective soul level. It was at this moment that I started to wonder if someone, or something, was controlling things, or at the very least influencing them.
At 30 I had a breakthrough and realized that heaven and hell are real places, metaphorically speaking, and that karmic justice is a real thing that propagates throughout existence.

I am still not sure who, or what, is behind these events, but I feel a deep connection to them, love them very much and feel as though I have been employed by them as an angel of sorts. I still do believe in pantheism, and worship existence itself, but I am agnostic in the sense that I now suspect there is more to reality, and am confident in my belief that there are workers, or angels if you will, working on behalf of this ideology. As such, I do believe in prayer, repentance of sin and religious values, even if I am not a die hard door knocking pamphlet kind of religious person. I respect other people’s rights to believe in what they want, and never impose my beliefs or even divulge them to others unless I am asked about them.

You are dumb, because I never said that.

schizo or larp? both?

This is The Universe speaking.
Your tithe is late. Got Venmo?

Something changed instantaneously in front of my open eyes

my mistake, then can you clarify what his means?

Something changed instantaneously in front of my open eyes

did something change in front of you, but not in a visual sense? it was some in some other non-visual way? and you just mentiomed your eyes incidentally, but didn't actual mean you saw it?

No venmo
No larp, no schizo

Every Atheist used to be a believer in a higher power

What?? Where do you get this from?

All I can say is God is exist. Wether you want to accept it or not. I know things you don’t. I don’t care if you believe me. That is you’re choice. Just try to be a decent person. Or at least make the effort that’s what counts.

Be polite. Be courteous. Respect others even if you disagree. That goes for atheist and non atheist alike. Also, don’t fall for the tricks of those who worship mammon and moloch.

One last thing; Jesus was Irish-American on his dads side

did something change in front of you, but not in a visual sense? it was some in some other non-visual way? and you just mentiomed your eyes incidentally, but didn't actual mean you saw it?

There wasn't a camera there you fucking moron.

And those asking why do bad things happen? Because the struggle is part of the growth. You can’t have good without the bad. You need conflict in order to grow. He hasn’t controlled everything in a while; just the broad strokes. And the only people who disagree are weak.

oooh, I get it now, you're one of those people who can't entertain hypotheticals, that makes sense

right, so you're not agnostic, glad we could clear that up for you
so the next time someone asks if you believe in god you can just answer "yes"

I think there's something out there but I don't trust anything of this earth to tell me the truth about what it is

I don't believe or disbelieve in anything that I can't know for sure.