What are your honest thoughts on the whole transgender debate?

What are your honest thoughts on the whole transgender debate?

I don’t care what they do with their life. A lot of them look a lot happier for it. That should be all that matters.

ywnbaw

Was somewhat sympathetic at first but a switch has flipped in the past 4-8 years with so many people coming out as trans.

They got sold a lie that they could be a woman.
This isn't remotely similar to the gay movement and undermines everything men and women have fought for in society.

transgenders are pretty cringe and it's strange how all of them are far left Hamas supporters but at the same time conservatives care way too much about them, it's best just to ignore them

theres a reason they an hero at greater rates than normies

they got sold a lie
a lot of it is pseudo science with poor research methods
it should have never been normalized
now we have weird intersex people

I will always support guys making themselves into girls because it means less competition. I don't get why this isn't universally agreed on

Trans men should be banned though, they need to stay as fuckable tomboys

These people checked out of the traditional dating world a long long long time ago.

What's the debate exactly?

constant bullying and harassment?

I'm willing to admit I'll never understand what it's like to be trans but all the trans people I know are decent, kind people and simply wanna live and pay their bills and bitch about the price of groceries like everyone else but comfortable in their own skin. imo if you're not hurting anybody, do what feels right. abusers can be dealt with without targeting the whole group

And? The best girls are found via D&D or LARPs anyways

I’m not a retarded closet gay so I don’t spend 24/7 thinking about it
If they’re happy leave them alone

Trap thread?
Trap thread

honestly? That its utterly pathetic how people have been whipped into a frenzy obsessing about not even 0.1% of the population, and constantly going on and on about them, inserting them into the subject of every conversation.

And the fucking drooling morons who use a thought-terminating cliche like "YWNBAW" are possibly even more pathetic.

nigga heil hitler

Psychologically bullying is less of a suicidal incitement than most understand.
The large number of people who are passively dismissive, ignoring them, not interacting, bystanders witnessing the antagonistic acts, these are the uninvolved persons that mentally ill people react the most to. The "society" around them who do nothing to interrupt the attacks, allow the attacks. These disturbed people develop neurosis over no one wanting them, decline into depression, and reach the point of permanent self curing.
But the percentages are still lower than they could be, we can put more effort into inducing transgenders to conclude their cycles.

Unfortunately it just takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone else.
Sports should be off limits or you can participate in your birth gender/sex/whatever. I am sorry this is probably insensitive.
Military is no place for transgenders, it's not to be mean, but that's where the ugliest shit needs doing, not the time for social experiments.
Bathrooms are hazy, but reality is women don't want to see any kind of penis.
Non binary freaks are another class entirely that unfortunately disrupt whatever rights you've worked for too.
Probably other things that easily slip my mind.

There should be ground rules instead of calling anyone who questions the narrative nasty names.
I don't mind transgender people, but you also have to understand the truths of the situation and why people are concerned, even if trans is statistically insignificant.

And this is all assuming this lifestyle hasn't been fed to children, which is another issue.

I wish she was my wife.

Honestly? Women created this and they should have to fix it.

Men wouldn't tolerate transgenderism in society, but women have.

I'm sorry for the circumstances in your life that lead you to being this miserable

I'm quite happy. Well paid. Shuffling dysmorphics and addicts along their way.
Can't say that out loud to my patients, but the truth of the world is not affected by opinion or mentally ill people like you.

you can be gay, but try not to be a faggot
whatever the trans equivalent of that statement, that's how I feel

no one gave a shit when it was just a crossdressing fetish. but now it's nothing but taking it to extremes like telling me they can have periods or breast milk. luckily the detrans movement is picking up speed and hopefully they sue enough surgeons and doctors to put brakes on this bullshit. just go back to putting on a dress and sucking cock for fucks sake. feel like a woman for a few minutes, bust a nut, then go back to accepting your reality

You're not fooling anybody.

No other people groups get bullied?
POCs in the 60s?
Gays in the 90s?
Immigrants in the modern day?

Why are trans suicide rates higher than all of them? Because they are mentally ill.

nothing but

You need to touch grass and meet some real people, not base your entire worldview off of what your algorithm feeds you.

there are at least 5 furries in Congress right now but they're smart enough to keep it to themselves

I never said other groups don't get bullied. There's a lot of nuance that you're ignoring. It isn't that simple. For example, nobody is arguing the very existence of people in those other groups.

that's gay

I'm not going to support them. I'm also not going to impede them.

We do not encourage anorexic women to diet.

People that are legitimately transgender and not just giant fucking perverts are mentally ill. They deserve our sympathy and empathy. They also deserve a society that tries to treat them, instead of encouraging their delusions.

If your blood is found at s crime scene and the test it to find out if they are looking for a male or female, whatever the result is is what you are and thinking you are the other is deranged mentally ill larping

What treatment do you propose? Torture? Conversion therapy? It's my understanding that the best treatment is widely considered to be letting them transition and leaving them alone.

sex does not equal gender.

IDC I'd wife her in a heartbeat.

I feel bad for the ones taking hormones and getting surgeries, since they're mostly just suffering from severe anxiety, depression, and other mental illnesses, and unfortunately for them the current trendy diagnosis is "you were born into the wrong body, you have to change that if you ever want to be happy." In a couple of decades everyone will look back on this they way we look back on the former trend of "uncovering" false memories of satanic ritual abuse in the 90s and lobotomies in the 40s. Sucks for them.

Also sucks for the "trans kids", who are victims of Munchausen by proxy.

The trendy girls who get shitty haircuts and call themselves "they/them", I don't give a shit about, except when they use their "identity" to crybully people into submission

The dudes who are obviously incel perverts and misogynists trying to bully their way into women's spaces to hurt women and/or do creepy pervert shit should be thrown in jail.

The oldschool trannies - the gay dudes who fantasize about being women and getting banged by straight dudes and the "chicks with dicks" prostitutes who provide an outlet for "straight" guys who want avoid admitting they're gay, I don't really care about.

you'd make this guy your husband? fag

As one who studied clinical psychology in 2007. Tldr

0.5% of people have gender dysmorphia disorder.

treatment was teaching them to cope and live with what made them comfortable and build positive circles

And that's the end of story. It really, really should have ended there. But:

then a bunch of angsty dumbass teenagers girls whos parents never once said to them "thats dumb stop it" int her whole lives came together on Tumblr and created a whole subculture.

acted like total fags about it.

infiltrated academia and teacher positions. Tried to create a norm.

forgot the law of physics "every action has an opposite and equal reaction"

Pretty much everyone (on both sides) who have no fucking clue what they're talking about arguing on the internet blew this whole entire thing out of proportion. I think the real breaking point was:

some butthurt idiot says "xy male, xx female"

someone else correctly points out that's not necessarily strictly always true because there's a lot of variance and shit gets weird with genetics sometimes.

you can be born with xx and develop male. Xy and develop female.

this tells us literally nothing at all about whether someone is transgender. Nothing. Nothing about how they wanna dress, their behaviour, if they're gonna feel like they were born in the wrong body nothing.

retards who don't understand that scream "SCIENCE AGREES WITH US".

It doesnt. The trans craze is 99% cultural. There still exists zero objective measure for if someone will be trans or not

appears more related to ASD than anything else.

i truly and honestly do not care. i have met several trans people and they were literally just normal people. i used to be tired of hearing about it all the time but i can see things are getting more dangerous for them right now so i've been kinda speaking up at work or around conservative family.

youtube.com/watch?v=8QScpDGqwsQ&list=PL0LN_2gLPwLf9spydtHp1gwREpdoi98uu&index=5

The science says they aren't full of shit. Like anything, there are people who will pretend to fit that description to take advantage of support systems or to gain recognition, but transfolks exist, and their plight isn't some buzzword psychological nonsense.

The fact that so many people choose to openly hate such a small minority shows just how easily "the smartest species on the planet" can be fooled and distracted. There's no excuse for picking on the underdog.

You bet I would in a heartbeat.

not that hot but does look like a woman imo

didn't watch but just looking at the professor tells me everything I need to know

I could care less
Fucked one back in college
Was kinda ashamed to tell my friends
That thing had nice ass and tits tho
Pretty sure it’s dead now
Mentally ill fuck toys basically

I think she's beautiful and smart caring and would make the perfect wife. She's literally my dream woman. Minus all the political BS and congress non sense. I often day dream about us drinking coffee and tending to a small farm together.

Well, that was easy for you, good job! At least now you know why you don't like trans people, you dont like things you don't understand.

Science is hard.

it's a spook used to manipulate retards

Jewish Atheist that doesn't believe in free will.

Opinion disregarded.

I understand the theory but in practice all of them are weirdos at the fringe left of the political spectrum and they all support Hamas even though Hamas wants to behead gay people

next time, just say "I'm a lazy retard"

as opposed to kanye west, a retard used to manipulate spooks

tell that to transgender activists who think their gender identity entitles them to cross sex-based boundaries like sports, bathrooms, and prisons. They used to say what you're saying, now it makes you a hateful transphobic bigot.

What debate? It still takes male and female to keep the argument going

Weird shout out.

Oh man, ya. I guess you'd have to look at things from a different perspective. That sounds scary, right? Ya, terrifying. Best to ignore one of the leading neuroscientists in the world, he doesn't know shit about brains.

In my opinion, People with gender dysphoria are mentally unwell and this not of sound mind to be making life altering decisions. So my opinion follows that Any surgeries or gender affirming care that reinforces their dysphoria should be treated as a cruelty and doctors who do so should lose their ability to practice medicine.

They have no interest in learning or changing their lazy opinions.

Lazy people are great at excuses, this is no different

would you ejaculate in his lower intestine?

And so the person with gender dysphoria should suffer forever instead?

Best to ignore one of the leading neuroscientists in the world

for perspective, the leading neuroscientists used to cure mental illnesses with lobotomies. You and I aren't neuroscientists so all we can do is put a religious level of trust in the experts or not when they tell us the latest "truth." I hope you enjoy your lobotomy.

Do you think people with gender dysphoria should just go untreated? Dysphoria becomes easier to manage or goes away completely with gender affirming care. It heals these people. You're talking about them like they can't be helped

yes, "gender dysphoria" is a psy op to sell pills and mutilations

What are your honest thoughts on the whole transgender debate?

it's like someone being vegan.
i dont really give a shit, just stop trying to tell everyone what you are.

No. I think they should be in therapy and be taught how to cope with/accept the body they have.

If she wanted/asked me to I would.

It doesn't matter what you think it is. It's very real to those people and affects their quality of life.

The science says they aren't full of shit.

No it doesn't.

but transfolks exist

Insane people always existed; their delusions have always been false.

There's no excuse for picking on the underdog.

Hating mentally ill freaks who actively attempt to degrade society doesn't need an excuse.

And if that doesn't work?

I don’t think they should go untreated. I think the current treatments are barbaric and the people who encourage them are evil, insane, or sociopaths (lacking all empathy).

If I told you you were weird, if I stared at every time I saw you like you were some circus freak and made jokes with you as the punchline for being the way you are and it caught on with other people you encountered.

How would you react? What kind a person would you be? Would people even give you the time of day to find out?

People like you (Anons aka pedophiles, incels, compulsive liars, etc) can relate far more to transfolk than the normies you idolize (and desperately want to rape with bbc). Which is weird because of how often you paint *them* out to be sexual deviants...hahaha irony, like actual irony from the dictionary.

I suppose you could just go jerk off to an AI anime fury porn thread, that would be much easier for you than continuing this discussion.

gender euphoria is definitely real in a way
probably has a lot more to do with them getting positive attention for once...

brains

Have nothing to do with the topic. Whether you're male or female depends on your genitalia, what sort of sex chromosomes you have, and what sort of gametes you produce. Women have XX chromosomes, have pussies connected to a uterus, and produce eggs. Men have XY chromosomes, have dicks, and produce sperm.

What do we do to other people who seek to mutilate themselves and therapy doesn’t help them?

Your attitude does more harm to society than people who dare to be comfortable in their own skin.

Shoulda watched the video, hippie man use big words.

Make btard feel big dumdum.

*pounds chest*

except that intersex people exist, and they nearly always live as either men or women, because man and woman are social roles

It's very real to those people

I remember a crazy guy taking a lie detector test that confirmed he genuinely believed he was Napoleon. That's the problem with "your truth" vs "the truth." What trannies need is help developing the humility to accept themselves the way they are instead of needing to control their bodies like a custom character creator

Do you think people with gender dysphoria should just go untreated?

No.

A person that could otherwise live a perfectly normal life where they contribute to society and pay bills just like everyone else without ever causing a problem (aka most of them), you'd have them condemned? That's a little fucked

except that intersex people exist

Which has no relevance to the topic of so-called "trans" people, as it's an entirely separate phenomenon without overlap.

And they nearly always live as either men or women

"Living as" and genuinely being something are not the same thing.

because man and woman are social roles

Wrong. They're just nouns for adult humans of the male and female sexes.

My answer is

what if he said "i really want you to ejaculate in my lower intestine, but i've never bottomed before, and i'm afraid you'll get poo all over your boner...will you help me do an enema first? also, i had greasy jalapeño pork rinds and three pints of India pale ale for a midnight snack last night"

Sexual dimorphism is present in the brain, the same as the skeleton, endocrine system, etc.

This should blow your mind: even with our precious Y chromosome, our genitalia forms in the uterus from female structures during a process called labial scrotal swelling. The tip of your dick (glans) is basically a big clitoris.

Nice clit, you gigchad incel.

Yes, people who are self destructive and can’t cope should be committed. This isn’t a difficult concept. And to suggest that we go ahead and mutilate them so they can be tax slaves like everyone else is again evil, insane, or sociopathic (or any combination of the three).

wtf dude, I know how to act like a normie in public and at least my furry porn doesn't have a leftist agenda

I'd say pic related baby.

Oh man, ya. I guess you'd have to look at things from a different perspective. That sounds scary, right? Ya, terrifying. Best to ignore one of the leading neuroscientists in the world, he doesn't know shit about brains.

Sexual dimorphism is present in the brain

Of course it is, but these differences are irrelevant in comparison to DNA and sexual anatomy for determining sex. A human with XX chromosomes, a vagina, clitoris, uterus, ovaries, breasts, and eggs is a woman even if they have a brain that may look more like an average male brain than an average female brain if anaylzed from certain angles or in some contexts.

our genitalia forms in the uterus from female structures during a process called labial scrotal swelling

Wrong. The labia and scrotum form from structures which are not female or male.

What have I said that's been leftist? I'm talking about the neurobiology of trans people.

If that's leftist to you, then you're the one bringing politics in.

crazy people have fucked up brains

Truly a revelation nobody knew before.

theory does not always equal practice and academics ought to know this

You are too dumb to even be talking about this subject.

The moment science even sets foot into the metaphysical, it's lost. 1. There is no observable difference between male and female brains in that one could thus ascertain experiential differences. 2. One cannot posit they "know" what it's "like" to be the opposite sex through their own self-reference, i.e. they "feel" like they're in the wrong body, or similar slogans. 3. The aesthetic, i.e. clothing etc., doesn't contain experience therein.

their plight isn't some buzzword psychological nonsense.

It is, in fact, the latter. A lot stemming from metaphysical misunderstanding and "scientists" attempting to reconcile their wishes with something science doesn't deal with.

Trans people become happier and more functional when they live as the gender they want to be, whether that's what gender is or not. It fixes their lives and keeps them alive and building relationships and going to work. Why is there no space for that?

We've had 7 trannys commit suicide in our county school system over the past 4 months. school board tried blaming "transphobia" & bullying, but everyone bends over backwards to accommodate these mentally ill disgusting freaks and try to make them feel special. More likely they just did what almost 50% of the deformed clowns do and offed themselves after regretting transitioning into circus freaks.

get a load of the snobby materialist

It's not at all unusual or surprising that an insane, delusional person would feel happier if they openly act as if their delusions are true and other people play along. This does not vindicate their beliefs in any way or sense.

How, exactly do you explain things hermaphroditism and xxy/xxyy syndromes?

Your understanding of genetics and biology aren't as complete as you think.

You can't even accept the fact that you, for a small portion of your physical development in the fucking uterus, were physically female, you have to rationalize it some way to align with your narrow view of genetics.

A lot stemming from metaphysical misunderstanding and "scientists" attempting to reconcile their wishes with something science doesn't deal with.

all i know is i wish for cdbell to bust a fat load down my esophagus
but i ain't a scientist

look at the way you're openly and comfortably talking about them, and you can't fathom that transphobia and bullying might be the reason??

we've had four commit suicide since the beginning of the school year. one was plotting a shooting and the cops busted it before it could carry out the attack. the retard hung itself after being released into the custody of it's parents while wearing a court-ordered ankle monitor.

meh.

a trans man is still a woman and a trans woman is still a man, but i don't feel the need to hassle someone about their life choices. i'll humor them, because i don't see the need to make their life any harder than it already is gonna be.

How, exactly do you explain things hermaphroditism and xxy/xxyy syndromes?

Why are you asking about these things when they're completely orthogonal topics to the topic of "trans" people? A genuinely hermaphroditic animal is simultaneously male and female; able to produce oocytes and sperm, and there's no evidence of genuine hermaphroditism in any mammal species, let alone humans. Klinefelter syndrome and XXYY syndrome are just mutations that result in some degree of intersex status. Both of these conditions wouldn't exist in a healthy society; any fetus with them would simply be killed before birth.

the retard hung itself after being released into the custody of it's parents

Pity all of the gender confused transformers don't follow that faggot's example and unhero. The world would improve vastly without their presence in it, tbh.

You can't even accept the fact that you, for a small portion of your physical development in the fucking uterus, were physically female,

It's not a fact, it's a lie. Sex is determined at the very moment of conception. Sperm cells have an X or a Y chromosome, and egg cells only have an X chromosome, so the sex of the offspring is determined at the very, very beginning of any human's existence, with a state of uncertainty never existing.

youtu.be/dUp0caPI72k?si=LgioSoybDJPARUKE

fapping

Usually they're ugly af, but when they're super hot they're hotter than real women

The more you talk, the more your hardline stance on trans-neurology makes no sense. You don't give a fuck about being right. Is it bad faith arguments all the way down for you?

Man is a man
Woman is a woman
Want to pretend to be what you're not? Cool, just don't force me into your delusions