Is there a single argument for God which has been debunked by atheists?
Is there a single argument for God which has been debunked by atheists?
Which God are we talking about here?
God of the Christian bible? Yes He does exist.
god from the talmud?
Which God
Oxymoron.
Depends on the religion. So I'll ask again.
Which God are we talking about?
weak bait
The Christian God.
Rare indeed is the case where the sequel is superior to the original.
...Christianity is not such a case though.
The Christian God.
Suffering exists.
God stands idly by.
God either does not have the power to stop suffering, or worse, is the source of suffering.
Therefore, God is either not God (not all-powerful) or is a dick.
While no one can prove/disprove God's existence, logic shows that if God does exist he's unworthy of worship, and is likely a dickcheese.
This is an emotional argument which goes rationality.
Not dismissing it as one, but just pointing out the root cause and it's irrationality.
You should at least know that might is right.
*goes against rationality.
Let's deconstruct your previous comment before delving into whether or not God exists.
So you're saying that there aren't mutliple Gods in Christianity. That is wrong.
Christianity is a continuation of Judaism.
It is a completion/fullfillment and not an abolishment of it even though Christians REALLY want it to be an abolishment, because Genesis is garbage and they want to distinguish themselves from Jews.
"Thou shallt worship no other God but me"
This implies that other Gods do exist.
"I am a jealous God"
One would not be jealous of something which doesn't exist.
Psalm 82:
"God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment."
This speaks for itself
Exodus 12:12
"For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD."
This implies that the Gods of Egypt are real.
Numbers 33:4
"while the Egyptians were burying all their firstborn, whom the LORD had struck down among them. On their gods also the LORD executed judgments."
A reference to the previous passage.
The Jews (during that time) had no problems with these passages, because Yahweh and El are traditionally from an older religion we now call Yahwism.
Yahweh used to have parents, siblings and a consort.
Hence why the Jews were later taught to worship one God, but not that only one God exists.
This is a massage distinction that people just overlook, because it contradicts their already established beliefs.
The idea that Judiasm is the first monotheism is therefore false. It is a monolatric religion. It wasn't the first monolatric religion either. That credit goes to Atenism from neighbouring Egypt.
So yeah, the God of Judaism which is the God of Christianity is most likely made up.
What is the single argument *that* one exists? What is there to debunk? Like, you need more than your opinion (as your attachment correctly asserts) for there to be somethingto debunk, so.. what is it? What's *your* argument?
cont.
You should argue for Deism, because the arguments you're going to use to prove the existence of God are from Deism anyway.
There is no evidential reason to believe that supernatural deities exist.
I don't know what you think Yahweh means but it literally means I AM.
Did you conveniently forget the part where He said that He is the alpha and the omega?
That there is none like him?
Isaiah 46
5 “With whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?
6 Some pour out gold from their bags
and weigh out silver on the scales;
they hire a goldsmith to make it into a god,
and they bow down and worship it.
7 They lift it to their shoulders and carry it;
they set it up in its place, and there it stands.
From that spot it cannot move.
Even though someone cries out to it, it cannot answer;
it cannot save them from their troubles.
8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
you who are now far from my righteousness.
13 I am bringing my righteousness near,
it is not far away;
and my salvation will not be delayed.
I will grant salvation to Zion,
my splendor to Israel.
ChatGPT Agrees:
1. Yahweh Presides Over a Divine Council
Psalm 82:1
"God stands in the divine assembly; he judges among the gods."
This verse explicitly mentions Yahweh among other gods, implying that He is superior but not the only deity.
The idea of a divine council is a direct parallel to Canaanite religion, where El (the chief god) ruled over a council of lesser gods.
2. Yahweh Dividing the Nations Among Other Gods
Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (Dead Sea Scrolls version & LXX)
"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God. But the LORD’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance."
The Masoretic text changes "sons of God" (bene Elohim) to "sons of Israel," which seems like a later monotheistic edit to remove polytheistic implications.
The original meaning suggests that different gods were assigned to different nations, but Yahweh took Israel as His own.
This mirrors Canaanite/Ugaritic traditions, where El assigned nations to various deities(!).
3. Commandment to Worship Only Yahweh, Not Deny Other Gods' Existence
Exodus 20:3 (First Commandment)
"You shall have no other gods before me."
This does not say that other gods do not exist. Instead, it commands exclusive worship of Yahweh.
If Judaism were originally monotheistic, this verse would be unnecessary.
4. Yahweh Declares Superiority Over Other Gods
Exodus 15:11
"Who is like you, O LORD, among the gods? Who is like you, majestic in holiness, awesome in glorious deeds, doing wonders?"
The phrase "among the gods" suggests a recognition of other deities.
This mirrors texts from neighboring polytheistic religions, where one god is praised as superior but does not negate the existence of others.
5. Yahweh’s War Against the Gods of Egypt
Exodus 12:12 & Numbers 33:4
These show Yahweh executing judgment on the gods of Egypt, implying that they exist but are powerless against Him.
Isaiah 44
5 Some will say, ‘I belong to the Lord’;
others will call themselves by the name of Jacob;
still others will write on their hand, ‘The Lord’s,’
and will take the name Israel.
6 “This is what the Lord says—
Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Let him declare and lay out before me
what has happened since I established my ancient people,
and what is yet to come—
yes, let them foretell what will come.
8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.”
9 All who make idols are nothing,
and the things they treasure are worthless.
Those who would speak up for them are blind;
they are ignorant, to their own shame.
10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol,
which can profit nothing?
11 People who do that will be put to shame;
such craftsmen are only human beings.
Let them all come together and take their stand;
they will be brought down to terror and shame.
Read the rest of Isaiah to get the hint. The rest of your argument hinges on semantics.
Pretending there is no argument now?
I'm giving you the right to choose whatever argument you're most confident in, you know?
>countless well substantiated arguments
let's not adres them individually and make a general statement instead
The verses I showed clearly indicated that multiple Gods exist.
So you're saying the Bible contradicts itself?
Something that contradicts itself all the time can not be the truth.
Do you agree?
ChatGPT Agrees
stopped reading there
Irrelevant opinion.
Lol, ya, ok sparky.
The rest of your argument hinges on semantics
Yeah, because there multiple ways to interpret the "Gods of Egypt" as if that wasn't an already well established concept (sarcasm).
Your understanding of Isaiah also shows your misunderstanding of the Bible.
Do the books I quoted from come from before or after Isaiah? They were written before Isaiah.
Isaiah takes a major step towards monotheism, but that doesn't change what is written in Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Psalms.
Exodus, Deuternomoy and Psalms are CRUCIAL for an understanding of the Law, aren't they?
So Isaiah of more importance than those books?
So why Did Isaiah Push Monotheism and the older books didn't?
Isaiah 40–55 was written during or after the Babylonian Exile (~6th century BCE).
The Babylonians had their own gods (like Marduk), which made the Jewish exile deeply traumatic.
Since Yahweh’s chosen people had been defeated, Israelites had to reinterpret their faith to make sense of their suffering.
Monotheism became a way to reaffirm Yahweh’s power:
If other gods don’t exist, then Yahweh wasn’t “defeated”—He allowed the exile for a reason.
This made Yahweh’s power absolute rather than just the strongest among many gods.
This theological shift solidified monotheism and became the foundation of later Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
cont
cont.
You can cherry pick all you want. It all comes down to which books are more important.
The historical context, which I have given here is more important than what is written in the text.
Because imagine if this was WoW and I said that it was inspired by Tolkien and you'd pick a scene from the game in which the Orcs say that their world is created by Zadanor, or something, so it can't be inspired by Tolkien.
That would be a bad argument, right?
What is in that game says nothing about what went on outside of the game.
You can't use a book to justify a book. You'd have to provide evidence outside of it, is what I'm trying to say.
Judaism is founded upon a polytheistic tradition and had the reason to switch the Jews from worshipping multiple Gods Deuteronomy 32:8-9 to one God Isaiah.
However, they still acknowledged that multiple Gods existed.
You have not refuted that.
Theists are retarded. Debunk that, dumbass.
Religious people are literally retarded. It's incredibly difficult to prove that something doesnt exist so only a retard like yourself would ask for something like that. Religon/god is cope for the weak
Identifying as an atheist is a consequence of falling for globohomo pop culture which by default makes you a retard.
You're the one who has to prove that God exists, you fucking retard.
How many times did your mother drop you on the head as a child? Because it wasn't nearly enough to finish the job.
How can God be real or fake if we can't even define what God is?
Disregarding your special pleading, that doesn't quite answer question.
stopped reading there
genetic fallacy
Aren't you theists always against the use of the genetic fallacy?
This is the first time a theist is in favor of it.
Nah im not into that shit either. You have the option of not filling your mind with either of those retarded ideas
The theist RAN from these comments btw.
I've WON. Debate is over.
I feel like a lot of faggos used to reddit browses Anon Babble.
You've kind of derailed the flow of the thread which I'm not going to partake in any further.
winning is derailing
You're calling it derailing, because you can't refute it.
Otherwise you would have done it.
all religions are false and made up
except for my religion of course
thousands of silly religions, worshiping false gods
except for mine, the only real one
And then realize every religion thinks that.
You're admitting defeat here.
This other dude, , is clearly more well-read than you and understands multiple religions at much greater depth, and with an appreciation of both the clear writings and the implied nuance than you.
Now that you've obviously lost, feel free to pack your shit and leave.
i am right you are wrong general
this bait's moldy.
show me this "God" and I will prove that it does not exist.
if you cannot show me "God" please be silent until you can.
all of them that are falsifiable have been, but theists can't prove them either, so there's no reason to accept them as valid anyway
show me this "God"
There is no such thing as an invalid argument which hasn't been refuted.
you can't refute something you could never prove in the first place
Kek. Theism LOST to a couple Anons on Anon Babble.
That's just begging though.
An argument being unproven presupposes its been refuted to begin with.
*begging the question
argument being unproven presupposes its been refuted
no it doesn't, do you know what any of those words mean?
something that's falsifiable but is yet to be proven does not mean it has been refuted, that's not how that works
something that's falsifiable but is yet to be proven does not mean it has been refuted, that's not how that works
do you know what "refuted" means?