When is UBI
When is UBI
If this country is run by economically literate people them never. What UBI would do is put more money in people's pockets WITHOUT the creation of any additional economic value. When more money than value is created, this causes economic inflation. Inflation is the market's correction mechanism that brings the value of money down until it matches matches the actual economic value being produced. Your extra purchasing power will bid up prices for the same amount of goods and services, and eventually prices will rise to absorb that extra money. So people end up no better off in real terms - they have more dollars, but those dollars buy less.
Moreover, the money to fund UBI would likely come from investments, assets, and capital - the very resources that drive economic growth and job creation. When you tax away capital that would otherwise be invested in new businesses, equipment, research and development, or expanded operations, you're reducing the economy's capacity to generate future wealth and employment. This creates a double negative effect: not only does UBI add money without adding value, but the taxation required to fund it actively reduces the productive investments that could create real economic value.
you must be retarded or something. let me explain: we already have UBI in form of bullshit jobs. we, the actual people who like to work and have for and not against the society are tired of bullshit. bring UBI. until then, fuck you.
we live in a consumption based economy, which means that they need you to continue being a good little cog in the machine and work until you die, while spending money on frivolities that you don't need and generating as much debt as possible, and then replacing yourself with a new little worker bee by keeping that birthrate up.
UBI is an inevitability, if the ruling oligarchy wants to keep that consumption going, especially in the wake of the great AI displacement that is supposedly coming at us like a runaway train. however, the ultra wealthy view it as a "handout" to "useless people" who they would rather incinerate than allow to continue existing, so they'll only begrudgingly do it once it becomes clear that the economy they so dearly cling to will fail if they don't implement some sort of solution, and you bet your ass they'll try to gut as many public service programs in the process under the logic that people who receive a stipend should have more than enough to fend for themselves (an utterly asinine assertion), if the rhetoric in 2016 was any indication.
the asshole above me is a sycophant for the wealthy who thinks that if he buys into the rhetoric hard enough then one day he'll be rich too. it's either that or he's already rich and he wants to protect his assets as fiercely as he possibly can, right down to the accounting for every scant penny.
you still don't get it. society needs a lot of people to make it work. people, you can't live with them and you can't live without them. not all of them can do whatever is necessary to keep other peoples lifestyles constant. so there is always some cruft. that is where UBI comes into play. otherwise you could simply get rid of the useless eaters. see where this all leads to?
I understand what you're saying, but the ultra wealthy want to crush socialism at every turn because it does not benefit them. they know that they will be the ones who will have to pay out for the benefit of others, and they'd rather you die than they have to fork over that money.
it's human nature, and we've seen it all throughout history. dynasties, monarchies, empires -- they're all run by regular people. normal, flawed, people, same as you. however these people tend to have a god complex that makes them believe they're better than you. if not, then why did society ever start having this sort of power dynamic? when humans first started climbing the ladder that is evolution, we worked together. sure, there were leaders and followers, but a caste system we did not have.
now, the "elite" would have you believe that it is your role to toil for their benefit, and you should consider it a favor that they compensate you at all, no matter how little and no matter how untenable for your survival said compensation may be.
just calling it like I see it, senpai. capitalism as we know it is fucked, it needs to start adapting if it wants to continue churning on.
the ultra rich already learned the hard way that the family system doesn't work if you have only one of your kids that thinks like you and the rest just splits the wealth, creating chaos. if you extend your horizon beyond your family, you start to see that there are complete strangers much more fit to take over business. but until that happens, you need people. people that create other people. tend other peoples needs. you can't ask of other people to think and behave the way you do. you don't want people to live in constant fear of starving. too much potential is wasted by that constant fear. UBI will help to replace almost all systems we have in place right now.
wealthy people don't spread their wealth. they hoard it and pass it on to their direct family. they'd rather it stay in the family so that their legacy, their bloodline, their grasp on power will be maintained for their future generations. absolutely nobody does what you describe; sure, the ultra wealthy will use outsiders when they see it fit, but by and large these people are paid a modicum of what said wealthy people have (illegitimately or not) earned in revenue, and will be expected to put forth as much effort as possible for the pleasure.
this dynamic will change, it's only a matter of time. otherwise, society will crumble and there will be blood. most reasonable people would like to avoid that outcome, so this dynamic will change.
UBI will be a boon for all.
Systems are already in place testing UBI and the results are promising.
For too long the people who do not want to work have been forced to take the jobs of those who want to.
The system is a crippled inefficiency.
The ultimate truth is that it is about resources, not about the economy, we are approaching an era of plenty, especially since AI machines can do 100 people's jobs, UBI is the logical step towards complete freedom of the population's desire to work as much as they deem acceptable.
Ignore the ney sayers, they are history.
As a man defines his future based on what is required and wanted, the species will become in harmony.
we already live in an era of plenty, to the point that much of the resources we produce get discarded as waste. I would say it's more about the distribution of resources than it is about resources themselves. any given good is going to have an economic value, so you cannot divorce the economy from the distribution of goods. in the equations that corporations do to calculate their costs of operation, it's always the worker who gets shafted the most, especially when there are no protections in place to ensure that he has negotiating power to ensure that his voice is heard. machines won't ask for wage increases; won't ask for time off due to sickness or bereavement; machines do not need rest and legally mandated breaks, nor do they need to worry about their health and thus do not require insurance plans; machines won't think of retirement so do not require pension plans.
it's easy to see the appeal here; they want to displace humans because humans are old tech that have outlived their usefulness. they do not care about you or I, they only care about profit. in the era of machines, we will see a much more authoritarian shift in global economic policy than what is currently in place, and if we aren't careful, an equally ironclad social policy will follow. people will be left to fend for themselves, to steal bread from dumpers filled with the stuff - made by machines at a breakneck pace - that could have otherwise fed them while it was fresh, but was thrown away as a result of being so abundant that it could not drive sales amid an incredibly small elite class of consumers.
the 'skynet dystopia' is going to be the reality, only it will be run by humans at the top during its inception.
The counters to the flaws you point out are being studied.
Wave your arms all you want about the greed of corporations, but please recognize they must adhere to the rules of a government's statistical ethical advancement definition.
You seem to be suggesting that all that will change is what you see, not what you do not.
Economy balance is there to prevent resources from being used ridiculously, it is not independent of actual base motivations for its existence outside of itself.
is that why we have nice gadgets and packages that are delivered home? why the fuck are they doing that? if you say would have been true, we would be still living in caves. you can't have wealth without sharing it. it looses it's value the moment you can't share it. stupid fucking idiot.
in the future we need more people that are capable and are not exploited by lowly criminals to advance as a society. at this moment, everyone wastes their potential for making the monies to pay their bills, which is completely inefficient. some engineer or scientist worked their ass off in the past that has created something that created millions of new jobs and the gdp of a country. what does he get payed? some fucking medal. yeah, that is what society is all about. why do we need to annoy and deplete these kinds of people with inefficient systems? why do they need to suffer while growing up until they do something that immensely profits society? we can avoid all that with UBI. this hustle bullshit, well it is bullshit.
Get a job you lazy fucker.
why don't you?
Ubi and billionaires can't co-exist. Gotta tax them outta existence first.
I have a career.
I'm not a useless leech fag like op.
UBI is an idea by billionaires you stupid cunt
What happens when you run out of other people's money?
Lefties are also so keen to appropriate other people's property.
so you get minimum wage for posting shit online? wait, you are flipping burgers and call that a career? anon, please.
we live in a consumption based economy, which means that they need you to continue being a good little cog in the machine and work until you die, while spending money on frivolities that you don't need and generating as much debt as possible, and then replacing yourself with a new little worker bee by keeping that birthrate up.
yes
UBI is an inevitability, if the ruling oligarchy wants to keep that consumption going,
yes, but they don't, it's already the rise of NWO whether we like it or not
especially in the wake of the great AI displacement that is supposedly coming at us like a runaway train.
sorry mate, not coming. AI fag here, we're just replacing the most useless human NPC agents with AI NPC agents, which are even more useless TBH :)
however, the ultra wealthy view it as a "handout" to "useless people"
they don't. Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do.
so they'll only begrudgingly do it once it becomes clear that the economy they so dearly cling to will fail if they don't implement some sort of solution
they won't. simply won't happen.
they'll try to gut as many public service programs in the process under the logic that people who receive a stipend should have more than enough to fend for themselves (an utterly asinine assertion), if the rhetoric in 2016 was any indication.
they will do this, surprisingly, even with no UBI in sight.
the asshole above me
the guys is just an NPC repeating what he heard. you're probably right about him being economically privileged, though.
soon, it wont be what you hope.
You ever hear of a day off?
Holy shit, what do you do for a living?
I imagine it involves getting money from the government.
And? Its a carrot they wave about but it'll never happen while they have full reign to hoard wealth
You get it back via the existing taxes when people receiving ubi spend it. As opposed to the money in billionaires hoards just sitting there
Stop being retarded on purpose
this anon gets it I think. It's the same as with voting rights - we got them, and now you can vote for either of the two retarded pedo puppets grandpas.
wishes usually are fulfilled in a tricky way by the fates.
I bet you think communism "would totally work if we did it right this time."
You ever hear of a day off?
we are not the same
Lol, of course not.
Not with you being a titanic faggot and all.
Naw communism has an equal/opposite problem. Cute strawman though, you're lack of a rebuttal is accepted as a concession.
you know there is this thing called winter
You can always tell the dumbfuck zoomers. They all have the same retarded "pigeon plays chess" version of arguing.
at least I get to fuck your mother
Based on the analogy you'd be the pigeon, you didn't provide a proper argument.
Kek, nice 6th grade quality insult.
And that has what to do with this? If you can't counter my point just don't respond.
;-) there some classic shit
Against your idiotic far left class warfare stupidity?
Why bother, you just want other people's money.
your point is retarded. no-one but the vatican hoards. everyone else re-invests you fucking nigger. I am waiting for your intelligent response, faggot.
Concessions accepted, bootlickers
You wont get one from the lefty.
They are economically illiterate.
define bootlicker, homo
bootlickers
Coming from the guy that wants the government to rule every aspect of your life, that's pretty amusing.
That's rich coming from the crowd who don't understand how taxes or tariffs work
I'm a Democrat dumbass, nanny state is a right-wing agenda
you can stick your left / right bullshit where the sun doesn't shine
Yeah we do, we're the small business owners.
Anyone defending the existence of billionaires, see also: useful idiot
Lol, you're flat out wrong.
Haha good one, works on multiple levels
Sounds like a commie defending dipshit, like you.
in that case: it is sad that we have to deal with politics. parasites everywhere.
In the basement?
Go read project 2025, or the news out of Texas lately
Why don’t you contribute to society you useless cunt? I work my ass off and I like to own nice things. You don’t deserve the same lifestyle I have. You hardly deserve to live on the same planet that I do. I’m sick of paying for you broke ass niggers
Politics matter.
more communism boogeyman copium
Oh good, you're not being honest
if it fits, it sits
What about project 2025 is about a nanny state?
Go ahead and show me.
That's where the term "useful idiot l" comes from.
History isnt your strong suit is it?
no they really don't. you can kill off people you don't like. problem solved. it just get's very tedious over time.
Yes they do, because they dictate the world we live in.
this is about you. you will get payed extra and get opportunities for choosing to work.
killing is more efficient
Ah of course, you can't Google
msnbc.com
Pays enough taxes to cover 50% of one extra life at most.
Thinks he pays for civilisation.
No doubt complains that billionaires do not fix world hunger as he hates people for existing.
Even Hitler had a desire to see his people flourish and do well, wtf is your malfunction?
That said I guess you call everyone who works to only cover their existence a Jew and demand extermination?
Fuck you tard boy. Go carry some bricks and leave the internet to the billions who learn.
Ohh so edgy.
I own my own fucking businesses, so there isn’t shit that is going to happen, except getting put into a higher tax bracket. Fuck off you commie pinko shitbag
And? Just makes it a bit ironic, shoe's on the other foot as it were
msnbc opinion
Are you fucking serious?
Holy whit what a fucking joke.
muh fake news cope
Texas is already implementing the nanny state lol
But it isn't; a pinko like you is always the "useful idiot."
It's an opinion piece, how the fuck is that news?
still calling me a commie
still being the useful idiot while projecting
If your trolling its pretty good, if.
do my googling for me!
no not like that!
I'd recommend doing your own research but you only seem to get more retarded as a result so I dunno how to help you.
not trying to. it's a fact.
How the fuck is an opinion piece news?
You really dont understand what news is do you?
Do you deny that project 2025 aims to ban porn?
Or do you deny banning porn is nanny state behavior?
this far left opinion is fact
Okay pal, sure.
See
Try not to get lost in your fake news cope
lol, you have no idea what UBI is and that it is the end of taxation. but here you still claim to be a business owner that will be put into a higher tax bracket. nice larp. listen, your mom is calling. your tendies are ready. bitch.
I dont give a shit about porn.
The left wants to tell me :what guns i can own, what car to drive, what food to eat, what stove to use, what words to use , and what shots i have to take.
And you're worried about porn.
Shows what's important to you, maybe get out there and get a girl so you dont need the porn, ever consider that?
Concession accepted, you dont care about nanny state or personal freedoms, just in your tribe 'winning'
How much should be paid out to each person? Once the economy self corrects from all the money that has been flushed into it, how will it account hyper inflation? People will still be poor and prices will be way up. Just look at what happened after COVID-19 and everybody was flush with cash. Think for once you fucking tetarded ninny.
Wat?
You're just flat out retarded
You lefties want to ban gas cars and gas stoves as well as guns, and you think it's us with the nanny state.
Lol, you're nuts
Take a break, you don't have to be an asshole all your life.
Excuses like covid made every walk of life bring about self interests, covid actually was not the cause, it was human nature.
There will be no excuses with UBI.
I dont give a shit about porn.
you are obviously not married
ignore this thing actually happening!
focus on these things that aren't happening!
Hah, and you call others useful idiots.
For almost 14 years.
We still bang 4-5 tines a week.
nice larp. fuck off.
google.com
What's it like being an uninformed moron?
Lol, seethe more faggo.
So, in all of your wisdom, where will the money come from to pay for all the social services that your broke fat ass needs to stay alive?
8 states
planning
after 2035
Haha that's the best you got? Now you're just being pathetic
I accept your concession.
we already had communism. what is all the shit we have right now different from that? it's all about having something that is more stable and allows individual fuckups to happen. we only want to reduce criminal behavior. remember when bread was given out for free? people started feeding their fucking pigs with it.
not seething. just knowing. there is a difference.
I'm flattered but its n/a here.
Seems you're in favor of a nanny state as long as your tribe gets to be in charge.
Don't talk that way about your mother!
google.com
Uh oh more nanny state action from the left.
so you like to fill out even more paper work? be my guest. we either work together or we work against each other.
Kek, it must bother you that there are people with good marriages out there.
Next you'll want background checks for 3d printers...
why not? I hate my mother.
From the sounds of it, your fat ass ain’t working. I’m not here to expend my energy on you, you worthless piece of shit. You don’t work, you don’t eat, fat ass
Is this like elvish wisdom... except tardish?
I have one. it just has almost no seks. it does bother me when I am horny. but that is not the topic of this thread here. <3
No that's common sense.
Which the zoomers appear to sorely lack.
Oh no an individual state is exercising its rights?
Thought yall were into that? Besides we were taking at the Federal level
Common yes, correct no
Lol, mine has loads of sex.
Sucks to be you, maybe dont pick a joyless bitch to be your wife?
What about it is incorrect?
yeah, I am sure you work your ass off to produce food. nice larp.
Im all for the tenth amendment.
But it proves how leftists like you want control over every part of people's lives.
What if he's a chef?
all I have are strawman arguments and I must seethe!
Not much point in banning printers, eaay enough to build one or go old school with a lathe/manual mill. That and we all saw what happened when alcohol got banned.
so you like to rub your benis in her vagene a lot? do at least come babies out of her vagene or is it wasted effort, like your posts here?
all3dp.com
You really are poorly informed arent you?
So long as the government does not want a 3rd world civilisation it will feed the masses.
Can you compute what your ancestors built or are you really a fucking tard?
bullshit worker
thinks banning unsafe goods is the same as telling people who they can love/marry, what media they can enjoy, and what color their skin has to be.
Ahh I see, you're rooting your cope in false equivalencies. Sounds like a useful idiot thing to do lol.
Challenge my statement about unsafe goods to show me you didn't actually read the article you linked
You accused me of wanting a ban, not if such a thing existed somewhere.
How is a gas stove an unsafe good?
everything the left wants to ban is an unsafe good
Not true in the very slightest.
Ahh ty, luckily for you I can actually read.
Several studies also have found that gas stoves are responsible for severe health conditions, including asthma.
Also wonder how many house fires and explosions they're responsible for, probly not all that many
See
We were discussing gas stoves btw
Thanks for the proof.
You claim to know what's best for everyone.
Oh good lets all live to the lowest common denominator.
We should have a Harrison Bergeron style of government, that's exactly what you want.
I'm sorry the facts didn't agree with your feelings. If you employ critical thinking that'll happen less often.
The wagecucks in here defending their rich overlords is hilarious
So you'd rather let capatilist poison you for profit?
You don't know a thing about what I want lol, you're too busy pretending it's something else to fit a script
The fact that the left is the party of big government and socialists?
What is your ideal form of government?
But you see if I defend them I'll get to be rich someday!
You're half correct
Now show me the geography of those states and counties..
A full democracy with enough socialism to have neither a billionaire or homeless problem
this
Probly similar to this one
Mob rule huh?
No wonder you hate the US so much.
Now show the percentages of minorities in those southern states.
Not what I mean by full democracy, though that'd be a step up from what the US has now.
and then cross correlate with weather patterns
Ah so a few cities on the coast should make all the decisions for the whole country?
Hah, knew it.
You realize its silly to blame a population's skin tone rather than the people in charge of said population right?
Again, seems like something a useful idiot would do
So there arent a lot of blacks in LA or MS or GA?
What does a Republican governor have to do with blacks on federal welfare in their state?
Ideally no.
Would you agree that blue reps serving significantly more people than red ones on average is also a problem?
(If I changed the colors then would you?)
they are only there to keep rent low
Quite a bit actually, you must be foreign.
Luckily Harvard has free resources on how the government works
I honestly don't get how you do it.
Like believe in conservatism I mean. Either you are the Manipulator or the retards being Manipulated.
Check your bank accounts anons, cause none of you here are the Manipulators
Oh do tell.
Fill me in, since you're an expert on southern states and welfare.
No thanks, I'm not convinced you're able or willing to learn. Go ask the experts at Harvard if I'm wrong.
That's exactly what i thought.
You have nothing and are full of shit.
It's actually pretty crazy/sad that the most distrusting people believe in the most insane batshit ideologies. You'd think being skeptical would lead to an improvement in their capacity to sort out bullshit from facts when it somehow entrenches them further into being against the use of critical thinking
only bots left in this thread now, right? might as well fuck your mom for reading this far. or dad. idk. he seems cute.
Aww is Harvard scary? Maybe this is more your speed. study.com
Kek, straight to the elitism.
Keep it up that sure wins you elections,right?
They uncritically accepted the order to question everything else, it's cult 101
Haha I'm sure I'm not the first person to cut their losses while trying to educate you.
Besides haven't you heard? Gotta be odd to be number 1
Im sure you're so very well educated.
Well bas and aa, the rest is self directed
So no more than i.
Yet you're so damn arrogant, like most leftists.
Your default is "if you dont agree with me you're dumb" same shit, almost every time.
Freedom of value
idk How the fuck you bankrupt multiple casinos. You literally have mfing MATH on your side and still fuck it up kek
Voting for the mfer who said he'd run the country like a business and has declared bankruptcy 6 times
But yeah its liberals who are deluded.
I don't think that because you disagree with me, you've shown me that.
ITT:
The wisdom of the almighty tard.
Blessed be the fool who knows it not, for he is the leader of a billion African sub-fools.
yeah, this thread turned from UBI to fucking moms and dads pretty fast. and all that because of television.
What UBI would do is put more money in people's pockets WITHOUT the creation of any additional economic value.
This already happens with wealthy people.
Forecast by Decade
2025–2030: Expansion of Pilots & Crisis-Driven Policies
Expectation: More UBI pilots globally; some countries may introduce conditional or partial UBI (e.g., monthly stimulus-style payments).
Trigger Points: Economic downturns, pandemics, or large-scale AI job displacement could force emergency UBI-like measures.
2030–2040: Early Adoption in Select Countries
Leaders: Smaller or wealthier nations (e.g., Norway, New Zealand, Estonia, Canada) could adopt a permanent version, especially if funded by natural resources or sovereign wealth.
US & EU: May adopt hybrid models (targeted UBI or negative income tax), depending on political shifts.
2040–2050: Mainstream in Developed Nations
If job automation replaces 20–30% of current jobs and wealth inequality worsens, UBI may become mainstream—not as a radical idea but as a necessary stabilizer.
What Will Accelerate It?
Massive job losses from AI or robotics
Political leaders campaigning on UBI and winning
Mounting inequality and civil unrest
Success stories from early adopters showing positive economic and social outcomes
UBI may start going mainstream between 2035–2045, particularly in economically stable or progressive nations. However, it may emerge in different forms—full UBI, partial UBI, or targeted income guarantees—based on national values and economic structures.
so no fucking of dads or moms is involved, right?
how are boomers handled? just kill them, right?
I am Jack's aged celestial ignorance of mankind's youth
I am Jack's lack of concern with a raging mass of ineffectual peons