In the United States, there are about 24 vacant homes for every person experiencing homelessness

homeless person

Why not just say "a homeless?"

Still too long. How about "homo?"

It would help if there were more shelters with more space and better conditions. Around here shelters are full. It also doesn't help that they don't typically provide any secure storage space for any belongings, so anything not kept on you at all times is going to get stolen.

That implies sodomy. Hobo?

anything not kept on you at all times is going to get stolen

Crab bucket. And they wonder where the stigma comes from.

Nah, hobos were different. They travelled town to town looking for jobs.

So invite a homeless man to move in with you. See what happens. Then, after you've learned, make this post again.

Exactly. Presumably the people running the shelters want homeless people to claw their way up out of their situation. Providing some way to store the few items they have would help a great deal.

The way I got out of homelessness was through the help of a group home that got me therapy, and made sure I stuck with it. If I was just given a house and told good luck, I would have very likely ended up just back out on the streets.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't house the homeless, I'm saying that we need to make sure that these people get the help they need before they're put in housing and left to their own devices.

If we could get the homeless into more and better funded shelters and rehabs, we can get them help for their issues and get them ready to live independently. You can't just throw them in the deep end, wish them good luck, give them no support, and expect them to succeed.

So what you're saying is if we shoot all the homeless people then everyone can have really great choice of where they live and house prices will be so low we'lll all have second and third homes?

Tell them to go to Detroit and buy one for a dollar.

If we could get the homeless into more and better funded shelters and rehabs, we can get them help for their issues and get them ready to live independently.

That's socialism and we don't want that in this country. No taxes to help other people. Pull up your bootstraps or be left behind to die.

You can't just throw them in the deep end, wish them good luck, give them no support, and expect them to succeed.

Not only can we, but we will do exactly that. If they were meant to succeed, God will help them. It's not the place of man to interfere in God's plan for these broken people. They're that way because they've angered God, and they deserve to suffer for it.

Call them bums. Maybe they're good people fallen on hard times, or maybe they're just fuckin losers. Either way, they're bums until they un-bummify themselves.

More like nohomos

Don't lie bruh, they can't afford them because the value of these house is inflated by the high demand which is caused by salesman and assholes manipulating the market for greed and profits, also blackrock

So let's just give em away for free, right?!?! Liberals are fucking insufferable.

How about renters? People that work but can't afford a home? Fuck them for functioning in society right? As long as the people who do nothing get fwee gibs.

The housing market is fucked because BlackRock and all the other private equity corpokike monsters are buying them all up. What really needs to happen is people need to be able to afford houses like the old days and then all the stupid mentally ill junkie homeless can rent the nigger apartments for cheap. Not just sticking the homeless in free houses for your feefees while leaving actual people just as fucked as ever. I literally own a business and you want to give away something I can't afford to junkie niggers. Fuck you kill yourself.

Don't care. They should get a job if they don't want to be homeless. Simple as that

What really needs to happen is

...corps like Blackrock need to be broken up using military force, their leadership shot, and their assets divided and given back to the people.

give them away for free

no, no one is asking for that you disingenuous cretin. and yet, who the fuck are your customers that can afford the insane market prices these days? who but private equity firms who just want assets to hold onto for the express purpose of building their wealth?

renters

if given the choice, most people would not rent. renting is a desperate man's only choice. it's either make payments or be homeless.

functioning in society

implying that being a good little corporate slave is the primary measure of one's worth

maybe more people would "function in society" if they had the security of a place to stay you fucking bootlicker.

The housing market is fucked because BlackRock and all the other private equity corpokike monsters are buying them all up. What really needs to happen is people need to be able to afford houses like the old days and then all the stupid mentally ill junkie homeless can rent the nigger apartments for cheap.

interesting how you cite the same talking points but reach a different conclusion. the problem here is you, that you think you're better than those junkies who are subhuman in your eyes. well you know what I think? I think you should die, and if I could orchestrate such an outcome, I wouldn't think twice. people like you, who would make distinctions between themselves and the rest of humanity on the basis of some subjective list of perceived "superior traits", don't deserve to live.

if you find that to be too extreme, well I'm just responding to your extremity with extremity of my own.

no, the government just needs to make it illegal for companies to buy up all the housing

word salad

So what's the plan then? Do you have an actual theory on what should be done? Or are you just going to say everybody should get houses? If we aren't giving them away for free then how would a homeless person obtain one? I'm listening even though you've only typed a small essay of nothing so far.

I like his plan better.

Obvious bait is obvious.

it's not word salad you shitbag.

what's the plan then?

why are you asking me? shouldn't you be asking your god emperor trump and his cabinet of cronies? let's see what they do for americans in the coming 4 years. I have zero confidence in their ability to solve this problem.

do you have an actual theory on what should be done

no, I don't. I'm not an economist, I'm not some analyst for a think tank who crunches numbers all day regarding this issue. I could ask you the same question. what do you think should be done? id you want me to pull something out of my ass, here's a suggestion:

government program that uses taxpayer money to buy homes - foreclosures or broken homes with various problems that need sorting out - at sub market prices, and then takes a loss on those sales by selling them exclusively to first time homeowners who INTEND ON LIVING IN THE HOUSE FOR AT LEAST A GIVEN PERIOD OF TIME

they can charge a reasonable interest rate and recoup some of the loss

buying in bulk/one time payment is also acceptable

regardless, the buyer has to sign an agreement that stipulates that they won't just turn around and sell the place right after they get it for an inflated price/market rate or else be penalized in some way

penalization could result in seizure of the property or jail time

loan forgiveness could be instituted by banks who are already subsidized by the government so as to help lower income people buy into the market at a rate that won't break the fucking bank

is it perfect? no, but then again I said I'm not someone whose job is to figure this shit out. like you can think of anything better.

You're being trolled. These are the people who will say the homeless should die for being homeless, while pretending to not understand anything you're saying.

You would have more luck arguing with a toddler or a goldfish. The toddler and goldfish would at least act less retarded.

These people aren't here to have a conversation. These people are here to get as many people as upset as possible by saying the most hateful and upsetting things they can come up with.

You're not really talking to them or having a discussion. You're just talking at them while they try to come up with what to say to piss you off, but still keep you talking at them.

yes, I know. it's not my first day on the quad-channel. it's just that there's no excuse for this sort of pageantry. just because we're anonymous doesn't mean we can't have genuine, good-faith discussions on any given issue. maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, and sometimes I get frustrated at the unwillingness of people who populate these boards to say anything substantial, who would rather opt for spouting garbage at every opportunity. and before you suggest I go elsewhere, the rest of the internet isn't much better.

So go buy one. What's the problem here?

more word salad

gubment subsizidez giveaways

not a single word on how that would help homeless people get a house WHEN THEY DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING MONEY

strawmanning me into a republican so you can justify how lost you are mentally

In the immortal words of Scarecrow:
"Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking"

inflated by the high demand

1/400 aren't selling

Pick a lane, dipshit.

Reagan is primarily responsible for that, you dolt.

well, what's your galaxy brain solution, you shit eating troglodyte?

No he's not. It was already a state and national trend way before him and they were already closing due to terrible treatment. Remember One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? That was highlighting the issue and came out in 1975, way before Reagan was President.

It's not about where you go. It's about who you choose to engage with. I'll give you a perfect example.

This guy right here who replied to me is very obviously a troll and I called him out for it. Once I did the engagement immediately stopped because we both know he's not here to have a conversation. He's here to feed off of negative attention.

If someone is acting out like a child, you should treat them accordingly and move on. There are plenty of people here who do actually want to converse, and you need to know the difference between people who are actually looking to talk, and the social parasites know as trolls, who are only here to waste your time and energy.

Because you probably vote for Republicans

more shelters with more space and better conditions

They're fucking everywhere! Every large city dumps billions into these things. The problem is you can't stay there and use, so they might get a night's sleep, but then they take off in the morning to get a fix. And you can't force them to stay there, which is the whole asylum model.

corps like Blackrock

How many of these vacant homes do you think Blackrock is trying to keep people out of? Explain to me how Blackrock is causing this problem at all.

it just seems like more and more, the number of people who are actually interested in having discussions is on the decline, and they're being replaced by retards, trolls, bad-faith actors, and bots. sometimes you can't help but engage with those sorts, when their populations have increased so dramatically and continue to do so.

but you're right, in the end you can choose who you want to engage with, or choose to disengage at any time. it's still not as satisfying as two people meeting and discussing things in good faith and in an impromptu manner.

no one is asking for that you disingenuous cretin

Isn't that what OP is implying? What goes in between "empty homes" and "a bunch of homeless"?

Corps own the government, so why do you think the government is going to save you? Laws only matter if they're enforced, and the government is totally incapable of enforcing the law on wealthy entities.

Those laws aren’t gonna be changed as long as you keep electing Republishits fat ass

keep electing Republishits fat ass

Well you’re fat, and you suck Republicock

Not sure what posting that picture has to do with anything. Except that you’re a fucking bitch

ok, well, let's say you are asking for that. what are the implications of that? I don't think it's as easy as just giving homeless people homes. it depends on the homeless person; not all of them are colossal failures and have instead fallen on hard times. divorcees who couldn't survive without their spouse's income, ex-military who failed to acclimate to civilian life, people whose jobs were encroached upon by economic pressures that resulted in their extended unemployment, people running from a bad home life situation. the list is endless.

some of those people could better adapt to being just given a home, but the rest - the junkies, the mentally ill, the weak-minded who don't see homelessness as a lack of personal conviction - these people would be the problem. I think you could draw a distinction between these people and maybe it would work, but that assumes that the more responsible among them would be able to find enough economic stability to prosper. something the capitalists won't tell you is that economic stability doesn't exist if your own means to achieving it is by selling yourself as labor.

so, my government subsidized low-income housing for first time homeowners idea would need to be combined with some other sort of social program so as to ensure that these people could realistically transition into a normal life again. perhaps there could be a list of criteria that you'd have to meet before you could be able to even participate in such a program. perhaps we could have other branches of government dedicated to helping people with serious problems sort them out.

the private sector only works for those who already have money.

first time homeowners

Why do they have to be homeowners? Why can't they rent a 1 bd apt? Why add in more social programs to an endless list of already failed programs? Why look to the government at all?

Because the government has to step in when the private sector fails. People could buy their own houses back in the 60s and 70s and then rich assholes fucked that over

That’s why we need social programs anon

Why do they have to be homeowners?

because homes aren't just a property asset for the rich to pocket passive wealth. to be clear, home ownership is part and parcel of the american dream, and people would rather own than rent.

Why can't they rent a 1 bd apt?

why not both?

Why add in more social programs to an endless list of already failed programs?

just because something failed in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't go back to the drawing board and try to find a winning strategy or implementation.

Why look to the government at all?

because the private sector only works for people who already have money.l

There's still plenty genuine people on here. The trolls have more of a presence because they're much louder, and dedicate an unhealthy amount of time throwing their shit at anything that moves.

I really am only on here when I am stuck at work after I've done everything I need to, or when I'm stuck in a waiting room or other public place where I need to kill some time. So I'm almost never on here, and most of the people who know how to actually behave like a decent human being are also on here sporadically. Most of us have other more productive hobbies that take up our time. I like to fish and paint.

The trolls on the other hand are usually terminally online, and basically here 24/7 so they have a much higher presence on the internet in general.

If you want to talk about homelessness, I was homeless for a couple years before I got help and got my shit together. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

Mra but Until the log fag finally gets banned, we don’t know who’s good or bad here. He drowns out any decent posts or threads

If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them

ok, tell me your story. tell me the circumstances that led to your homelessness, and tell me how you got out of it.

when the private sector fails

This has nothing to do with the private sector. Houses cost about the same with inflation accounted for. I'm in NorCal and you can find houses for $150-200. You can build your own house. Go buy a plot of land and a construction loan. It's not like you have to sit around foe some tract develop to built the house you want for the right price in the location you desire, it's up to you. Go fucking do it.

home ownership is part and parcel of the american dream

people would rather own than rent

"Dreams" and "would rather"... Should we all get what we dream for and would rather have? I was once a brokedick wagie kid and I rented until I moved up enough in my career where I could buy a house. How are homeless any different?

why not both?

Why can't they both buy and rent an apartment? WTF?

doesn't mean we shouldn't go back to the drawing board

But this is the same old drawing board with the same failed plans. There's nothin new here.

because the private sector only works for people who already have money.l

The private sector isn't involved in this mysterious equation.

Yes it does. You asked why government is getting involved. It’s because the private sector is greedy and does nothing to address the problem.

this has everything to do with the private sector. the private sector, meaning market control and how prices are set. in another sense, the private sector would be applications and corporate entities who could solve this problem of homelessness but for a price. the private sector never does anything that won't benefit them, so it's left to the government to get shit done. the government throws corporate incentives out like candy, and yet shit rarely gets done because private contractors will do anything they can to cut costs and pocket all that sweet money for themselves. fuck the corporate sector.

anyway, I don't believe you can find a quality home in that price range in california. I just don't believe you. land often costs huge sums of cash as well, so don't act like building a home is a viable alternative when you're going to spend thousands of dollars just to acquire it. then, you better make sure you're within zoning laws before you start building. then, what, are you going to build it yourself? you're going to have to not only pay for acquired materials to build the structure, you're going to need to pay someone else to do it unless you have the expertise to do it yourself. you can't just build a house, you need to follow regulations, and not everyone is confident in their ability to build something by themselves.

nobody wants to buy a home made in the 20s - 80s but that had some recent renovations for a 300% markup that is still some percentage cheaper than an equivalent modern home.

oh yeah? well you're a dumb nigger. kill yourself, dumb nigger.

I suffer from scitzoeffective disorder, that I left untreated and basically used alcohol and weed as a bandaid. This obviously didn't work and I was in and out of the hospital almost weekly for self harm and suicide attempts. I could not hold a job to save my life, and it got so bad that my mom was afraid of finding me dead at home. She couldn't live like that anymore and I got kicked out.

I tried renting a small room to live in, but was still hurting myself. The cops came to bring me to the hospital one too many times, which freaked the landlord out, and I couldn't find anywhere else to rent with my very limited income.

I survived mainly by squatting in abandoned buildings and living at campgrounds, I tried a shelter, but it was a shit hole and after just one day I said fuck that. It was also at this time that I graduated from pot to crack. I thank God every day that I didn't try heroine, because if I did it would have probably killed me.

Eventually after a very serious attempt on my life, the hospital refused to release me back on the street and held me for several months while they found a rehabilitative group home for me to live at.

This group home had mandatory therapy and psychiatry, within the year they found the right combination of meds and the right outpatient therapy and I started to recover. I eventually got into an apartment program.

Today I'm about a decade clean, I still smoke weed and drink a few beers every now and then but nothing like I used to. I have a good job working with the department of transportation, and I'm getting off social security, now that I have gainful employment.

If it wasn't for the kindness and compassion of the hospital and the people running the group home, things would have turned out very differently. I'm extremely grateful to have my life back, and to still have a good relationship with my family.

"Propaganda Times"

sounds like shit worked out for you. a lot of people aren't as lucky as you, I'm sure you know what I mean. good job, anonymous. here's to hoping you keep yourself in check.

When did I ever say I had a solution? I'll wait. You can't even decide what problem we are talking about. Are we trying to house the homeless or are we trying to fix the housing market for everyone else?

because the private sector is greedy and does nothing to address the problem

Are you telling me there's money to be made in building houses, but greedy capitalists are unwilling to do it?

Whew lad.

Oh I 100% know just how lucky I am. Basically everyone I used to smoke with is either dead or still homeless. I'm the exception, not the norm, and most people end up falling through the cracks.

That's why I firmly believe that we need more rehabilitation programs, and more shelters with better funding. If we want to stop homelessness, we need to attack the root of the issue and help people overcome the issues that caused them to be homeless in the first place.

If we don't attack the root causes of homelessness, we're essentially building a solution on a foundation of loose sand. It's doomed to fail.

Nobody owes you jack shit. It always pisses me off when people intentionally throw their lives away doing the drugs they were warned about their entire childhood.

Don't do hard drugs kids, it will destroy your life

Does hard drugs and destroys life

Waaaaah, you people aren't giving enough of your income to taxes to pay for parasite pieces of shit like me

You need to fix my mistakes

meaning market control and how prices are set

Prices are set by location. size, and historical sales in the area.

solve this problem of homelessness

You don't understand. First off, homelessness is not a problem in the state's eyes. They get shitloads of funding to have this problem and the longer they can keep it in action, the better (for them). Second, private business has nothing to do with this and you can't force that square peg in that round hole. Is the private sector keeping wood, nails, and light switches from you? How can this even be a demand problem if OP's pic is true (I doubt it is)?

the government throws corporate incentives out like candy, and yet shit rarely gets done

It's like you admit the government can't get anything done, but then blame private business for their faults. Protip: Corporations ARE the government.

I don't believe you can find a quality home

Now it has to meet your standard of "quality"? Does it pass code? Is it safe and clean? How do you define this? Go ahead and Zillow around.

don't act like building a home is a viable alternative

People do it all the fucking time. If it's not a housing tract, it was built either by the owner of it was contracted by the owner. It's probably the majority of homes. And you can find land for cheap everywhere. The wife and I have been shopping for a piece of land in the forest to build a cabin and we come across cheap land all over the fucking place. You want some literally dirt cheap land, look south of Susanville.

you better make sure you're within zoning laws

Kek, you mean the R or AR in the land listing?

you're going to have to not only pay for acquired materials

So you think lumber and windows should also be free? What the living fuck is wrong with you?

you need to follow regulations

You can easily find the codes at your library or online. It's pretty fucking simple. You're throwing up your own excuses and it's making you look really fucking stupid.

Oh, come now, let's not get all tree-hugging and bleeding-heart about this. Look, I understand that people struggling with homelessness is an unpleasant reality, but we can't just go around handing out free housing willy-nilly. That's not how the real world works.

These vacant homes you're talking about - most of them are privately owned properties, the result of normal market forces and investment decisions. The owners have a right to do with them as they please. We can't just start seizing private property and redistributing it. That's the kind of socialist nonsense that undermines the foundations of a free society.

Now, I know there are some government programs and initiatives aimed at addressing homelessness, and that's well and good. But the bottom line is, it's not the government's job to solve every social problem and provide for everyone's basic needs. People need to take some personal responsibility, pull themselves up by their bootstraps, and find their own solutions.

At the end of the day, our priority has to be safeguarding the fundamentals of the free market economy and private property rights. Once we start down that slippery slope of the government overreaching and micromanaging everything, it's a quick trip to full-blown socialism.

So let's keep this in perspective. Homelessness is certainly an issue that deserves attention, but it's not the government's job to play Santa Claus and hand out homes. There are limits to what the state should be doing. The American people are resourceful - they'll figure it out. Our role should be creating the conditions for economic growth and opportunity, not trying to centrally plan every aspect of society. Capiche?

Bad bait, it is funny though

Damn, what constitutes a home? All those molded places in Louisiana could be nice, but black people.

Hey I'm homeless right now. I don't do drugs and I don't smoke.

Here's the problem.
If you a heroin addict you can walk right in to a Salvation Army and you are guaranteed a bed, 3 meals a day, and treatment.

If you are NOT taking drugs you get told to take a hike.

So what message does that send?

I'm not going to engage with you, if you're not going to read anything I say and put words in my mouth. You can go sling your shit around with the other monkeys and log fags.

Do you think segregation would fix these issues?

let's get the government involved in micromanaging

Is that what you took away from his post? He literally said the opposite.

Average American is 3 paychecks away from the street.

I agree the druggies deserve what they did to themselves, but regular folks who get dealt a bad hand should have something available to help.

Or do you like that your tax money currently help Jerome get a warm bed in between crack binged instead of the Veteran who has shrapnel in his brain?

Average American is 3 paychecks away from the street

You can't even repeat the MSNBC headlines correctly.

1 in 3 Americans are 1 paycheck away from the street.

should have something available to help

That's what family and friends are for, even church if you swing that way.
This isn't a new problem, and that's what's been happening for thousands of years.

No I was trying to lead him into redlining, the governments involvement in blinding investors. Laissez-faire seems like it should be black and white. Investor confidence is waning, open the books and let the market decide where to put a new store or offer products, it will hurt average lifespan for a few years, but it seems that it would be good after the completion of the infustructure overhaul it would be a good time, the playing field is more level than it has been in awhile.
Inb4 college admissions
Inb4 Twitter was an even playing field and that produced black Twitter, natural segregation.

i have two hice

No I was trying to lead him into redlining, the governments involvement in blinding investors. Laissez-faire seems like it should be black and white. Investor confidence is waning, open the books and let the market decide where to put a new store or offer products, it will hurt average lifespan for a few years, but it seems that it would be good after the completion of the infustructure overhaul it would be a good time, the playing field is more level than it has been in awhile.

Inb4 college admissions

Inb4 Twitter was an even playing field and that produced black Twitter, natural segregation

I don't know what the fuck you're on about or what this has to do with anything in this thread.

Nigger

women can't think critically: the post

1 in 7 houses are empty bc motherfuckers are at work to pay for it.

Get a fucking job.

Every dollar into a homogenous civilization goes farther and does more. The systems in place worked then something changed I think it was redlining, investors could/can not accurately define risk on cultural norms without identifying culture
Inb4 in 200 years USA has no culture.
Without correction a culture can develop negative traits, investors are third party with the benefit of detachment to decide who's winning.

insane

suicidal

clearly needs mental help

so my mom kicked me out

Holy fuck your mom is the biggest piece of shit in the universe.

Nigger, what does any of this have to do with junkies not having houses?

Thes resources exist and are plentiful and free, anyone who is a fucking bum is choosing to be so. Also you are a nigger and should kys

I think you will find that budgets have not changed and inflation has reduced those programs to specialized pamphlets.

No, she did the right thing. I needed to fall hard to humble myself enough to finally accept the fact that I desperately needed help, and work on myself to get to where I am today.

I went through a lot of shit, but I'm a better man today for it, and having clawed my way out of homelessness and addiction has given me a lot more appreciation for the things I have.

I don't blame anyone for my problems except myself, because ultimately we're responsible for our own actions. If I could change anything, I would have gotten the help I needed before it got as bad as it did.

I can't change what I went through, but I can use my story and experiences to help others and keep people from making the same mistakes I did.

I'm not proud of who I was, but I'm proud of who I am now, and I'm greatful to still have my mom in my life after all the shit that happened.

I've seen better bait from toddlers.

Need to start a fire? Simply find a pack of cigarettes and take one out. That pack is now a cigarette lighter! :-D

inflation has reduced those programs to specialized pamphlets.

See this is the problem, even if people wanted to get help which they don't because they're niggers, they are so brain scrambled and retarded from the drugs that they can't form a coherent sentence and thus can't be reintegrated into society

reduced those programs to specialized pamphlets.

Bullshit. They're throwing more money at it than ever. Take a look at your state's HHS budget over the years.

implying leftist cumbreath shartbrains ever learn anything

3/10 based anti-blackrock

rest is shite

Who would invest in that, seems like a losing position?

Based. Glad you made it.

Thank you kindly.

So who owns the houses when they are built originally?